I want to share my thoughts & intentions, with the hope I'm not the only one who feels this way! Whilst I could write a book on the subject I have to be brief as this a forum is not a book, but In my view, to mandate masks in public places is the line that should not have been crossed- there is evidence to show masks could even be harmful (they harbour bacteria and and virus's if not replaced/cleaned regularly) and for me personally wearing a mask for anything other than very short periods will cause me severe distress. So my actions over the coming months will be for myself, and those others who cannot speak for themselves. The law (https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/791/made/data.pdf ) states that only a constable or a police community support officer (or transport on British transport) can enforce the law, so a shop employee has no legal basis to stop entry to a person not wearing a mask. With that in mind, if a shop employee refuses entry to a shop are they exhibiting discrimination? I don't know the answer to that (but will over the coming months scrutinise any relevant legislation) so what I intend to do is gather evidence, evidence that could be used in any potential future actions- having said that though, I will not be directing this at the small shop/business owner as they have had a hard enough time as it is!).
So, the law requires one to wear a face covering (aka mask) in a shop:- "(2) In these Regulations, “shop” means any building, room or other indoor establishment which is open to the public in whole or in part and is used wholly or mainly for the purposes of retail sale or hire of goods or services, but not including the premises listed in Part 2 of the Schedule."- (this means inside the building, not while queuing outside, not in the car park)- if I am approached by an employee and asked to wear a mask I will ask them to sign the following (or a version thereof):- I the undersigned, hereby accept responsibility on behalf of _________________________________ (insert organisation name) that at _____________ (insert time) on _________________ (insert date) I refused permission for ___________________ (your name) to enter the premises for which I am responsible unless a mask was worn upon entry to said premises. I acknowledge that I am fully responsible on behalf of ____________________________________ (insert organisation name) in the event of any legal action brought about in the future (in respect of any health issues arising as a result of mask wearing, or human rights, equality or discrimination legislation) as a result of my actions today.
Signed___________________ Position___________________.
However, thankfully, it seems many shops are not getting involved with enforcement anyway so this may not be necessary, but in the meantime I will protesting in my own way without leaving myself open to being fined hint- this is the definition of a face covering in the law:- “face covering” means a covering of any type which covers a person’s nose and mouth;". There is no stipulation of the weave/material aperture size in the wording, so as long as it covers your mouth and nose, a piece of string vest complies with the law!
I will add however, I believe that hand sanitisation and social distancing are still the best compromise between retaining our freedoms and reducing the spread of contagions/pathogens.
Bless you all.
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How did today go? Well I largely avoided shops, I don't like conflict. But I needed fuel, so put a few litres in my car at a well known supermarket fuel station- but as doing so realised I didn't have a mask with me, so my lovely fiance offers to wrap the forecourt tissue over my face (it complies with the law :) ) So with much laughter (to be honest I felt a bit stupid, so tried to laugh it off) I approached the door but they had locked it! So I stood there waiting for it to open/be opened (other people had walked in and out while I was on the forecourt) and a voice on the tannoy invited me to go to the night desk to pay, I duly complied and paid, explaining my view on masks politely to the assistant, then left. On the drive away from the site it struck me that I had just been discriminated against. I shall be writing to the company to get the video evidence of the encounter. Watch this space.
I've just seen and signed this petition, posted by another member. :- https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/331174
Martin (and everyone else!) you might also want to sign this other petition demanding repeal of mask edict, its up 16,600+ already
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/331430
Let's keep going. I received this drivel of a response to the petition:
The Government has responded to the petition you signed – “Repeal the decision to implement compulsory face coverings in English shops.”.
Government responded:
Click this link to view the response online:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/331430?reveal_response=yes
The Petitions Committee will take a look at this petition and its response. They can press the government for action and gather evidence. If this petition reaches 100,000 signatures, the Committee will consider it for a debate.
The Committee is made up of 11 MPs, from political parties in government and in opposition. It is entirely independent of the Government. Find out more about the Committee: https://petition.parliament.uk/help#petitions-committee
Thanks, The Petitions team UK Government and Parliament
And check this out:
Signed, thanks. :)
Signed. It is now over 25,000 however I hope it does not disappear as so many do before reaching the 100,000 target!
You would think it would have reached 100,000 in a couple of days. Why are the great British "silent majority" so effing useless?
I treat this a bit like that chocolate selection box at Christmas- some parts I like, some I don't (but it's good to know they are there if needed)- but here it is anyway, apols if this was posted elswhere on the forum. Rose/Icke V interview- scroll down the page and it should be there:- https://londonreal.tv/
Back in the UK now, will be going over to Morrisons later with the form above- will post what happens.
Great initiative, Martin, thank you for sharing. I would just like to add that, in my opinion, the best form of defence against pathogens is our own immune system! We cannot sanitise the universe, nor is there any need to try.
What I dont get is this - if 25k people are signing a petition against masks why have we only got 2500 members???? :)
How can we encourage people to gather here? United we stand - divided we fall. Right now we are too dispersed across UK in too many little factions of differing mind-sets....but the mask thing ought to be able to unite us. Got any ideas how we up the numbers here??
I like the idea of string vest masks !!! Good One !
MG55 - I see there are quite a few protests going on most weekends across the country. The next one I go to, I will certainly take some leaflets with me to give to any interested members of the public or to those partaking in the protest who aren't aware of us.
We need to get the word out there more. I have been trying, but my other half still says I am an embarrassment! I shouldn't be going round saying "stuff". I point out that if I don't say it who the hell will. I know a lot of people are of the same mind as us and don't believe what they are being told, but I don't think that they know about the fact that parliament has closed and there will be no more elections (if ever) until Boris and the gang are forced to repent. This is getting really serious and somewhat frightening. I really fear for my grandchildren, as I am sure many do. My MP is gay - maybe he could be coerced into submission as I think he might be on the extermination list - wonder if he knows that?By the way, in regard to masks, I have not been challenged in Morrisons, although some busybody challenged my son today - not a staff member. He told the guy he was immune - I might not have been so polite - but I do carry an excemption card. I also believe you can get these on a lanyard at Tesco customer services. Beward Halifax branches - they are handing out masks at the door. I wonder do they realise the liability implications of this, as some masks contain a plastic which can induce asthma. Think I will write to the head office and scare the s*** out of them.
@Salsa well done it's what it's going to take to make them realise they can't walk allover us. If there was CCTV covering the interaction you have 30 days to make a request under the data protection act for a copy of the CCTV coverage, then you will have the proof of what happened- then you can scare the **** out of them- but get the evidence first before mentioning what your intentions are.
Apols but I didn't get to go to Morrisons (loads of holiday unpacking, totally knackered (15 hr drive yesterday!), and ended up having take away for dinner- sorry!) But, I did go to a local shop for some milk earlier- walked in, no mask, I was the only person in the shop except for the guy working and he had no mask either. We both smiled at each other and had a great chat, no mention of masks or anything. It's how it should be, the 'old normal'.
On Saturday I was in central London for the first time in a couple of months, went in Holland and Barrett in Borough and was asked why I wasn't wearing a mask. A mile down the road in Blackfriars I went in the Waitrose , a Waitrose 'partner' standing at the door aggressively told me I needed a mask to go in, as I said to the guy in H&B "I don't wear them", she says "do you have a health condition that makes you exempt?". Absolutely not, this is where we have come to, people asking for your health status because you're not wearing covid accouterments that few were wearing a mere two weeks before. I asked why she thought it was appropriate to ask about my health, she then got on the defensive talking about the police fining them if I was seen, I told her i'd handle them if that happened. I meant it. I'll die on this hill. Waitrose look they'll die on this hill also.
Kemi - I went to Burnley yesterday to do my once weekly shop. I normally don't say a word to the 'masked ones', as it's their choice to wear one. But when a woman walked past me with two little toddlers masked up in the boiling heat, I lost it big time.
As it was a really nice day and there were masses of people out there, I decided to sit outside a cafe and watch the world go by. The cafe was heaving with hardly a mask in sight, and folks were sat there having a good time and chatting merrily away. Then when the people went to the shop next door, they put a mask on. I thought what's the bloody point!!
Worryingly, there is now a Covid19 testing station in the car park that wasn't there last week. Burnley is already under restrictions. I suppose they are trying to get the numbers up so they can lock them up good and proper in a week or two. I do hope not. Kemi, I will also die on this hill.
@Grumpy Cat It looks like they're using various areas around the country as test cases for how much they can get away with. They probably used compliant surveilled so far, along with population and demographics of the area, to influence where they are choosing. Just in reading 'there is now a Covid19 testing station in the car park..' is too much and it's just the beginning.
Kemi - Yes, Covid testing station coming soon to a place near you (if it hasn't already.) And, according to today's papers you might be getting a nice little knock on the door from your friendly contact tracer. Not on my patch! If they have been knocking on lots of doors and speaking to hundreds of people, you don't know what kind of virus they might be bringing to your door do you??? 😅 😅
I know its only the Sun but......
says 11% are not wearing Masks in the Poll - pls feel free to up that figure :)
So yesterday, having decided we needed, really needed, to go shopping. Now, I'd love to say it was an easy thing to walk into a shop without a mask (bear in mind we've been out of the country for two weeks), for those starting to feel brave or not yet feeling brave, we (my fiance and I) feel the same. Fortuitously, she saw a post on her twitter feed in the morning criticising Asda for telling their staff not to challenge anyone for not wearing mask- so off to Asda it is then!! We walked in apprehensive, no one challenged us, no funny or disapproving looks. We walked around and completed our sizeable catch-up shopping for 6 (!) and along the way noticed a few others with no masks, one lady had an exemption lanyard, another on first sight had it loosely under her nose, then on next encounter she'd put it under her neck. So up to the checkout, pleasant and polite, no questions, then back to the car (by now more like an oven!). For those wishing to learn more about the potential hazards of mask wearing, watch this video of cultures taken form various masks- https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=S5ImqqaMCd4&feature=emb_title
Is it time to mass the legal troops? The provisions of the Corona Virus Act 2020 require a member of the government to submit a motion within the next month:
(2)The form of the motion is— “That the temporary provisions of the Coronavirus Act 2020 should not yet expire.” https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2020/7/section/98/enacted This initiates the "6 month review period", the period of 6 months beginning with the day on which this Act is passed, enabling debate in the house as to whether this draconian legislation should remain in force, and there is much argument that it should not.
E.G. The ONS stats show many regions experiencing consecutive zero death days, with the South West showing over 30 zero death days. The majority of trusts are indicating consecutive zero death days. On this premise and many others, it is hard for the virus to retain its standing as a 'pandemic' and thus for the government to retain the legislation.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases There are many arguments to downscale the UK response, repeal the legislation and thereby curb interim excessive government powers, prevent the draconian and unsubstantiated edicts of this incumbent group of incompetents and return the UK to some semblance of political normality.
There is much time to lobby relevant parties inc: industry representatives; unions; business groups and NGO's, Time to collate legal arguments, disseminate information and press the opposition and independents to challenge the government, to ensure full and proper debate and importantly for the public to see the evidence being debated. We must hold the government's feet to the fire and drag their machinations into the light of public scrutiny.
As Sun Tzu says, “Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
I agree with the above. We must get moving. I have a list of organisations for me to write to - by post by the way. I think the Independents are the way to go, the other lot appear to have been placed under a gagging order, along with local councillors in my experience. We need to act quickly as Gates is already planning his next scamdemic. I think the roll out 5G was involved and the second wave will coincide with a further roll out of this dangerous EMF. Have you noticed that the TV is featuring more 5G ads, especially with the friendly face of Kevin Bacon?
This may useful it's from 'Law or fiction', I suggest clicking on the 'tool kit' link- it shows a document that you can print and carry with you, it summarises relevant law and where you/the retailer stands (i.e. the retailer could be committing an offence under the equality act 2010 if they challenge you for not wearing a mask). I thought I 'd seen it elsewhere on this site but couldn't find it, so apologies if it's repeated:- http://www.laworfiction.com/2020/07/face-covering-litigation-threats-and-administrative-headache/
Great resource, thank you. They are particularly useful for a campaign I am preparing to disseminate posters and information to local businesses. I am asking that they display the exemption protocols and educate their staff to challenge correctly and sensitively and thereby uphold the rights of those that choose not to muzzle and protect their own business from threat closures. If anyone else is or wants to run such a campaign pls get in touch. Together our voice becomes a powerful cry! KBF!