Hi All - Between today and the 24th July in every shop I go into where the shopkeeper isn't wearing a mask I am going to politely ask, " Excuse me, I see you aren't wearing a face mask. Does it not worry you that you might catch the virus from your customers between now and the 24th?" I will be very interested to see what they say. It will be a bit hypocritical for shopkeepers to enforce mask wearing when they are not doing so themselves. I will post some of the answers I receive in time.
I totally agree that it will be hypocritical. Apparently, we are being told to wear masks to protect the staff in the shops. However, the shop staff, who are in contact with countless more people than any of his/her customers, are not expected to wear masks to protect their customers. I personally do not believe that there is any more risk of catching CV than any other infection right now and would rather have the chance to build up my immunity by catching a few colds or whatever is floating around. However, let me pose this question on the assumption that CV could be dangerous and highly infectious: if shop staff do not wear masks, does that not make shops very dangerous places for customers! I cannot understand why those who believe that face masks are so important and are therefore genuinely afraid, are not questioning this.
It's true that's why we're told to wear one however for four months they have been just fine without the need to protect them. Shop workers are free to wear one if they want protecting but it's clear the majority don't. I won't be wearing one.
Shopkeeper based in Liverpool here. I absolutely refuse to back this grotesque infringement of our civil liberties when it becomes law this Friday. I'll be putting posters up saying "No Mask - No Problem" - I have no right to enforce this law and have zero interest in doing so.
I've already had a couple of customers with asthma thank me in advance for taking this stance - nobody will be muzzled against their own will on my premises!
Thank you Scotty. I wish there would be more of you here in Scotland!!!!!!!
isn't it only a 'guideline' not law?
It became law as from 0001hrs today. The Police say they won't enforce it and many shop keepers and retail giants are saying they can't enforce it. They could if they wanted to just as they don't sell alcohol to under 18s. Fact is that they don't want to as it would alienate customers. However today I want into three different shops and in every one I was the ONLY customer not wearing a muzzle. Apart from a couple of toddlers that is. The sheep are really very afraid.
I am fully supportive of the anti-mask group, but I wish somehow more people would join and then lobby the Government to let them know what we really think of this 'population control'. That's what it is as I see it. Worse than how things were in the former East Germany.
On UK Column news they pointed out that many more people are writing to their MPs (like many UK Column news veiwers, I send copies of my MP letters to them, they're probably overwhelmed!) But I've only had pointless replies, and no idea whether she's posed my questions to the govt. I personally think that the govt are being told what to do, as this IS a co-ordinated global event, which fulfills so many of the UN's goals and 'revolution', and the Agenda for the 21st century. The govt can't be lobbied. They are doing as instructed (and badly, since they can't co-ordinate their stories/excuses properly). My MP letters are, I fully believe, like whistling in the wind. However, I must act with hope for a better world than the one that is planned for us.
I don't get replies from my elected representative and I wouldn't be at all surprised if he has blocked my mails - he doesn't like people and has voted 100% with the tories since 2005 - he is, after all, a conservative - and yet still claims he represents all his constituents - what a larf!!
Pete - My MP doesn't like me either. I told him a few home truths (politely) and put 4 very pertinent questions to him. However to answer them truthfully, he would have had to admit that the Government has made a complete b**ls up of this whole Covid19 pandemic, and he would never do that would he? Hancock didn't reply to my e-mails either, but I never expected that. The MPs are only front men anyway for the advisers and men in dark suits who are behind all this.
Scotty - Thank you. What a good person you are. And a man of reason. Not many of those around these days. Maybe you should be in Government??
Thank you GC. I doubt I'd last long within the halls of Westminster, I think I'd be too overqualified in the common sense department 😂
Just been out and done a huge shop in a local wholesale place. That will be my last shop for some time as I am not wearing a mask for anyone - I am afraid I value my own health too much! Having read the views of many scientists, several have stated that it INCREASES the risk of catching something - a cloth over your face, which is what most people are wearing, getting damp with your breath is a great magnet for any infection hanging round in the air giving you a greater chance of catching something. Once it is in/on your mask, you can get an overload of a virus which your body's immune system will find harder to fight off. So, if you go into a shop where shop assistants, who see many people each day but are not wearing masks, I suspect that, by wearing a mask yourself, you increase your chances of catching something. Why would I do that? I want to allow my own healthy immune system to work unaided.
Also, with each breath you take when wearing a mask, because the air you have exhaled into your mask is trapped there, you will take in a higher level of carbon-dioxide. People need to read the effects of carbon dioxide - again, not great for your health. That is why there are reports of people collapsing when wearing masks while running.
Masks should only be used in controlled clinical settings - in those settings, proper effective masks are worn, not "face coverings". Even in many operating theatres these days, masks are not always worn. Surgeons who wear masks for longer operations have complained of losing concentration as the time has gone on - this is one effect of carbon-dioxide poisoning.
UK Column News https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-20th-july-2020 rightly commented on Article 6 from UNESCO (35:38) that 'mask policy is an open contravention of Article 6 of the Universal Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights'.
I have trained in pathology and there is one thing that concerns me about the diagnosis of people with covid19. Given that it seems that no isolation of the virus has ever been undertaken/ proved - how is a diagnosis of covid19 achieved? This cannot be done by test results or symptoms alone. Indeed no vaccine can be created without the isolation of the 'virus'
My understanding is that neither laboratory staff (via blood/ microbiology) or any other staff except a trained doctor/consultant/pathologist can make a diagnosis - is this still the legal situation? When in haematology/ pathology I could never make a diagnosis of illness/ disease even if I knew what it was - has this changed at all in recent times - can anyone confirm the legal position?
You might like to go to this site:
https://questioningcovid.com/
Sayer Ji's discussion on exosomes goes a long way to explaining why the tests don't work, but all the videos are excellent and all from top scientists. I haven't been there for a while so haven't had a chance to see what they have to say about Masks!
You may be interested in this. You are right. The PCR turns up too many false positives as its rather non specific:
and from a fellow pathologist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDEljJ6qyBc
I tried to have a discussion with friends over dinner and i was the only one who had the opposing point of view to wearing masks. It got heated as I kept asking where is the evidence for masks being preventative and all I got in return was an emotional response " I'll wear a mask if it means we are saving lives and prevents a second lockdown". They would not accept that if the Government was making it law then it should be based on some kind of evidence, not just a finger in the wind.
I have to admit I despaired in the end, there is no convincing some people.
Geekbear - I have given up trying to put my point across. I have no friends or family who are on my side at all. Only my cats, who nod and wink!
This is the problem. The mass media have been so vocal in putting across the Govt line - you can see it in the various slogans. Remember when everyone was 'flattening the curve', then ' stay at home and save lives' and now 'wear a mask and save a life'. People have been emotionally conditioned by the use of various marketing techniques. This is why it is so important to get our message out there and keep repeating. "Keep Britain Free", "Freedom of Choice", "life , Liberty and the pursuit of happiness
It's worse then tha. It's Trauma based mind control
Fight back.
Underpants are a perfectly legal face covering, they are made of cloth and can be held in place without the use of hands. I will shop without a mask and when challenged put my Mr Silly boxer shorts on my head. If asked why I'll explain that I'm wearing pants on my head for the same reason they are demanding I wear a mask. It's bloody silly. Let us take the piss, they started it
Suits you Sir!
I have considered wearing underpants on my head as well as a mask. Then when people stare at me I will say "yes, I know, this mask makes me look stupid."
I was thinking of going with a sexy little thong
Simon I have been to every supermarket in my area, and not one member of staff knew about the Government exemption regulations, or what counts as a 'reasonable excuse'. I am going to write to my local police constabulary. They were quite helpful would you believe when I made a point on a lockdown issue. I myself will go to the supermarket or local shop armed with my exemption card and Government guidelines. If they refuse to serve me, which is their prerogative then so be it. I will politely walk away after giving my views. I'm not going to force my way in and cause a scene. What I want to know is, what is the police's stance on this? What will they do if a member of the public goes into a shop with the rules, and they still decide to fine them for not wearing a mask? I think the 24th will be a big turning point. I will keep everyone updated with what transpires during the coming week. By the way, I'm not an 'anti-masker' as the media a like to paint me, but 'anti mandatory'. Big difference! 110% behind you Simon. Keep up the good work.
I've just seen (and signed) the following petition: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/331174
Me too. Thanks
Somehow there needs to be more people seeing this, the number is slowly rising. The trouble is if they’re unaware of it, they’ll never add their signature.
There is another one going around with 4000 signatures last time I looked. We need to just have one
I would have no issue wearing a mask if we were at the beginning of a pandemic and if there was solid evidence to prove that they we’re effective. We have neither and to make a law based on nothing but opinion is reckless at best and morally wrong.
My bro is in his early thirties, one of the healthiest people I know. He has been back at work wearing mask and visor all day whilst working in a barber shop. He has just come down with shingles three weeks in to it. I know its brought on by stress mostly, or a lowered immune system but I cant help think that him breathing in his own virus's and air 10 hours a day has played a part in this happening. Whether the reduced oxygen has stressed his body or just work stress in general has activated it, who knows, either way its an odd age for shingles to occur.
That's just awful, sorry to hear this, I hope he recovers soon. Sadly I expect we'll be hearing more of this in future. As an office worker I feel fortunate that I've been working from home since this madness began, and my employer has said the few people returning to the office won't be required to muzzle up. However, I'm fighting to stop this now with people like your brother in mind. I'm also convinced this is the thin end of the wedge and I don't believe they will stop at shops.
Hi, thanks, its good to hear of people standing up for this cause. Im just concerned as to how long these masks will continue for. Im trying to find ways to be proactive also. Suggesting that he doesnt wear a mask is a no go unfortunately as its all about keeping up the apearance of 'safety' in the shop. Very infuriating that managers seem to have no concern over their staffs wellbeing. No discussion of how they are coping with the mask etc. No risk assesment for that matter. just pisses me off
lissa - Usually companies are really hot on health & safety, but as far as masks are concerned, very little appears to have been carried out in the way of risk assessments.
I'm in Scotland. My partner and I haven't once worn a mask in a shop and we haven't been challenged yet. I don't think most shop staff know what to do. If any say we have to put a mask on we'll tell them they just lost our business.
Me the same, in Scotland. Going food shopping without a mask no problem. Superdrug too no problem. On Sunday I went to have a falafel in a take away shop, the guy had no mask on, I had no mask on, and the world felt so wonderfully normal again! It made me smile and I felt so light and happy :)
I go in to the shops with a smile, keep the distance, being respectful etc. - no problems but I do feel anxious inside and my husband says he feels like he's "doing something wrong" by going shopping without a mask. I want our lifes back!!!!
Ive had similar experiences. Not had any confrontation but I do keep my head down and dont make eyecontact with many people. When I look up there is quite a lot of staring. Not seen anyone else maskless yet.
I went around 6 local food shops tonight: Co-op, Tesco, Esso Food shop, M&S, Sainsburys and LIDL.....I showed them the poster someone has shared here and the first 3 places took a copy to show their Manager. After a slightly confrontational start with MnS (due to nerves) I softened up and played the card: 'tons of people who cant wear masks are frightened and anxious they will be bullied and shamed and they are all gathering online in a terrible state etc etc, scared they wont be able to get food'....staff were very understanding and human....in most of those shops staff have been told NOT to approach customers who are non-mask-wearing as no-one knows what another's health condition or disability may be...and there is no way of proving exemptions.....so non Mask wearers will be allowed in and go unchallenged by staff.....the smaller local shops said they might put the poster up in the window...the bigger chains said it has to go via their Media teams or Customer relations....I got the feeling MnS is the only shop who will enforce the mask...I did say you know people will vote with their feet? (to the Manager)....she had not heard of KBF.....in future I'd prefer to partner up to do this stuff as then its less intimidating.... plus 2 people can generally get a conversation going and a small crowd might gather to exchange views on all this insanity that is just plain cruel to many people who ARE terrified by all the propaganda....
Ah well....Every little bit counts :)
Do you have a link to the poster?
no but i think if you click on it u get the option to save it to your desktop.....
I wrote this elsewhere in this forum:
There was a lively thread on Twitter where people were pooling their findings on which retailers do not intend to enforce the guidelines on usage of masks in shops https://twitter.com/MoriartyBaron It was still there last night but alas, today, that a/c no longer exists. I wish I had archived that thread last night. I don't know if this will prove to be correct but in that thread, Tesco, Sainburys, Morrisons, Lidl, the Co-op, Nisa, WH Smiths and JD Sports won't be enforcing the masks. I expect the government goons will be leaning very heavily on those retailers to get into line from Friday. They also said Aldi won't be enforcing the masks but when I asked at a local Aldi, they said it will be enforced.
I think it depends on the individual shops. I am most intimidated by the look of my local tescos as they have gone above and beyond during the past 5 months to make the place as awfull as possible including parking attendants enforcing car social distancing plus door sentries. I expect they will easily have a couple on the door asking for masks to be worn. I think people may have to play it by ear
I suggest you email Tescos or communicate with them via Twitter to tell them you feel intimidated bythe staff at that branch. Make a note of the person's name and the time of the encounter. From the tweet I saw on the deleted thread, it looks like head office will take strong measures to ensure that no shopper should feel intimidated by any of their staff. Do this for those who come after you, please.
Haven't the gov't said that they don't want retailers to enforce this? I'm sure I read that somewhere. "Call the police".
I wrote this elsewhere in this forum:
As things strand now, I think Tesco is the best bet for shopping without a mask.
That Twitter thread has gone now, but there was a tweet from Tesco saying they won't be enforcing the masks.
Then I saw a response from someone who said her mother was treated very badly by a Tesco employee resulting in the old lady being afraid to enter the store.
This drew a concerned response from Tesco who apologised and the guy asked for more details of where and when, so they can identify the staff member and see that it doesn't happen again
There was another tweet which gave me great hope that this is true.
One of the Tesco tweets said that if you ask at the customer service desk, you can get a mask exemption card. I can't remember what it was called now. I think it had 'Sunshine' in its name. I think it's also free but my memory may be wrong here.
You're going to have to go to your local store and see what happens. Please report your experience back here.
In that censored thread, a Co-op employee said the staff will be required to wear masks but they have been told not to question any customers who walk in without a mask.
There were some tweets claiming that Sainsburys and Morrisons will not be enforcing masks. But I did not see any tweets from either chain confirming this.
I have seen reports that the head honcho of JD Sports has called this rona hoax a load of bollocks and that their staff won't be enforcing it. That is definitely one store I shall test
You'd have to cross Asda off the list. That chain is owned by Wal Marts and they stink to high heaven. Asda will be the last retailer to cave in out of all the chains in England.
This is a good time to support your local small retailer providing they haven't gone full spectrum paranoid.
The problem may well be your fellow shopper who may make a big fuss about your non compliance. ...
It's a Sunflower Lanyard I have one for Aspergers, I had a tweet back from Tesco saying I wouldn't be hassled by staff as they had been trained on the scheme. I suspect many stores are aware if they screw up with someone actually disabled they'll be sued.
I was at a Tesco megastore this morning. I went to the service counter to ask for a mask exemption card. The staff member didn't know anything about this and suggested I come back another day to see if they have any by then. She also said I do not need such a card to shop at Tesco. They would not ask to see this. It's up to the police to enforce this and Tesco won't be doing so.
I also saw these 2 tweets:
https://twitter.com/UKblockhead/status/1285581756633145345
Louisa@UKblockhead Replying to @centrist_rascal, @RUNWITHSCIZSORS and @GeoffNorcott
Shops cannot ask you leave if you aren’t wearing a mask they aren’t allowed to deny service under the 2010 equality act. You have an exemption
3:25 pm · 21 Jul 2020
https://twitter.com/RUNWITHSCIZSORS/status/1285595099217506306
Stop NWO #kbf@RUNWITHSCIZSORS Replying to @centrist_rascal, @UKblockhead and 2 others
Not true, shops aren't allowed to ask you and they are not allowed to descriminate. The police aren't upholding. We're good to go.
4:18 pm · 21 Jul 2020
Just in case these tweets get censored, I've archived them:
https://archive.is/1Zk7B
https://archive.is/gTklF
If any shops get huffy, just take your money elsewhere and broadcast the pillocks names on a 'name and shame' list.
I'm sure there will be plenty of discussions on which shops to boycott.
The #1 supermarket chain in the country is not enforcing this - Tesco will be strengthening its dominant position out of this. Their marketing department must be laughing their heads off at this godsend. Tesco will grab refugees from the other chains and deservedly so. Waitrose can kiss my ass. I'm spending my thousands of £s per annum budget in Tesco from now on.
Tell the idiot shopkeepers that the government recommended policies include having 5 a day and also to go to work on an egg. Who pays any attention to their crap statements? So why start now?
I went to our local Asda today and said I have an exemption and would they ask to see proof - I was told no, they are not going to, they will take my word for it..
Just found this tweet
https://twitter.com/PeterMcC66/status/1285646092890185728
The guy had asked Sainsburys about this masks issue and the reply from Sainsburys was:
"Hey Sam, we won't be challenging customers without a mask when they enter or when they are in store since they may have a reason not to wear a mask. Fraser."
In case this tweet is censored, I've archived it:
https://archive.is/HryNC