Yes I work in a supermarket, 5% masked yesterday 100% today. 10% of staff unmasked. I worked the morning, my son worked the evening we both found it incredibly distressing today, both of us tearful at feeling so alone. We know we aren't but today felt like being in a Black Mirror episode.
I am exempt but I really can’t face going shopping, I agree I would find it very stressful and I feel really sorry for you. You both have my utmost sympathy, I am lucky in that I can avoid the shops by shopping online, you have no choice whatsoever..
Been back at work for 2 months, not worn or been asked to wear a mask.. Nobody i know or they know has had coronavirus. Today at work, forced to wear a mask, just to put fuel in car for work. Masks must be worn in Petrol stations, totally stressful situation, to wear a mask just to pay for fuel.
Shell petrol stations have signs on windows, you will not be served, if not wearing a mask, but the staff are not wearing them.
We have a shell, we cannot refuse you, think about it you already have the goods ;) I am going to use the app to get my fuel from now on, no need to go in. This is particularly ridiculous as at times I work in the petrol station!
you're right, you can drive in and get the fuel mask-free right? so then the only way to pay is by card or app. Nice one. THEY have thought of everything eh? If you dont comply with the mask they can still force you to go along with cashless, another 1 of the Agenda 21/30 tricks.....
Am I being thick? You drive in, with or without a mask....you put your card in and it authorises a fill up to £99......they authorise the pump....you fill up and drive off. Which bit of the process do they stop you?
apparently Bboris Johnson doesnt believe in an in a nanny state thats why the government want us to wash our hands regualry wear masks and keeping a two metre distance
can u expand on that Curtinj? Not following the logic exactly...do you mean he is nannying us even tho he says he doesn't believe in it?
To my view Boris is a smoke and mirrors guy. No-one seems to kno what to make of him as he is very unclear. I get that confusion is part of the Game of The Deep State but I am not sure he is entirely bought by them......however he does seem to be joined at the hip to Cummings who is a lot more transparent about his agenda.....its a puzzle....
Has anyone considered attending local shops and supermarkets as a mutual support group? Not practical for some but perhaps quite easily arranged for others. This could range from just passive support, through loud 'conversations' decrying and/or mocking the wearing of masks, to much more organised things such as 'flash-mobs'.
People seem to be largely working on their own at the moment.
As so many people are exempt from wearing Masks for health reasons it seems to me we ought to somehow be campaigning for shops to have a separate shopping time for the "Unmasked. Its only like what we did at the start of Pandemic ie offer The Vulnerables and Elderly their own shopping slot away from the herd.
Then all the Rebels can just go on those days too.... and pretty soon half the people wearing masks out of fear will join the unmasked days/times to shop?
I think the way to do it might be to write to all the Big Chains with Petition type letters to ask them to give the Exempt a shopping slot? Any other ideas? Not sure petitioning the Guv makes any difference as Boris is leaving us to it. Could perhaps write to local councillors. But again they seem to be just puppets. I think the approach needs to be to the big supermarket chains. Anyone able to see a good way to go about it?
These are very good and sensible suggestions. However, we are not dealing with a sensible government (and that's putting it nicely). I think the snag would be that the supermarkets are all falling over themselves to be seen, at least, to comply with the latest government edict. I think peaceful guerrilla tactics are the only things that are going to work at the moment. I myself am not keen on going into a supermarket on my own since Friday (fortunately I have the opportunity of shopping online), but with a bit of support...
I would also look to support those shops and supermarkets that adopted a 'light touch' approach and boycott those who were aggressively enforcing the rules.
I think this is not a good idea. It can easily become a public order offence. Mocking others is disrespectful and not their fault they are making choices according to their mindset which yes is a manipulation from the top but not per se the cause.
Great stuff, if we could get to 100,000 wouldn't that be good. I have been through the studies and there is no way masks will reduce this virus as the particle size is far too small, but the damage to people's health through low oxygen, build up of CO2, accumulation of bacteria & viruses through preventing their clearance is likely to be high, just as the damage from house arrest has been. Cheers
Thanks very much for the alert: challenge by the legal and medical profession is exactly what is missing in this nightmare. I wonder if they will be tracked down & lose their licenses like this courageous doctor:
I urge everyone to read this article and print copies to hand over to small businesses so they know where they stand. Large corporations like the supermarket chains know exactly what they are doing so don't waste your energy there.
http://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2020/07/face-coverings-in-shops-its-all-about-store-policy-and-its-reward-or-punishment-so-dont-make-excuses-to-be-allowed-in/
Face coverings in shops: it’s all about store policy and its reward or punishment – so don’t make excuses to be allowed in
......what the UK Government’s so-called coronavirus restrictions regulation concerning face coverings in shops in England essentially amounts to is the suggestion of store policy for businesses (to be adopted or not as any particular business see fit).
... come the 24th July, there would have been 10 days since the initial announcement of the regulation clearly means that there has been a lengthy gestation period in which the public has had a lot of time to be anxious. In fact, it would be accurate to say that the public has been overwhelmed by the talking point in all corners of corporate, alternative and social media. It therefore struck the author that, having created a deal of psychosis in a public fearing an impending monstrous imposition, the UK Government would not in the end even have to legislate for people to wear a mask in a shop. They would do it because they believed it was a real requirement.
At the crux of what is essentially yet another magic trick, then, are two factors: i) the public has generally been convinced about the inevitability of face coverings, and ii) shops have essentially been persuaded that they need to expect lots of customers wearing masks. This has all been done through an initial announcement in the House of Commons, and UK Government guidance. Additionally, in the case of the public .... intense media coverage has been pivotal. Indeed, such is the good job that has been done in the traumatising and the hypnotising of the public that the just mentioned guidance is believed by many people to be the absent legislation
some shop management (especially amongst supermarkets) will undoubtedly say to itself, “the majority of our customers will be wearing masks, so we will implement policy according to Government guidance so that this commonality of attitude is not made jealous, agitated, or upset by those who would rebel”. And there it is: compulsory wearing of masks in certain shops achieved without legislation. Instead, all that was fundamentally required was huge amounts of exposure of the public to an idea that was fed to them remorselessly by, and in every variety of media.
Imagine, ....that UK Government doesn’t in the end create the Statutory Instrument that orders the obligatory wearing of face coverings in the shops. Imagine it is in this context that you want to go into a supermarket, but are prevented from doing so at the door because you are not wearing a mask. If you point out that there is no law against not wearing a mask, it doesn’t matter. You won’t be allowed in because it will be store policy based on what the supermarket has interpreted as Government guidance. To reiterate: the wearing of face coverings in shops is purely a matter of policy.
look back at what chief coronahoax criminal and Health Secretary, Matt Hancock, said
Should an individual without an exemption refuse to wear a face covering, a shop can refuse them entry and can call the police if people refuse to comply, the police have the formal enforcement powers and can issue a fine.
This is in line with how shops would normally manage their customers and enforcement is of course a last resort, and we fully expect the public to comply with the rules as they have done throughout the pandemic.
What is essentially being done here is instruction – or guidance, if you like – given to shops to refuse entry at the door. It is also instruction to call police to deal with a person or people who might prove to be undesirable on a shop’s premises. But the really significant line is in the second paragraph: it says, basically, these things are what shops would normally do. Exactly; they can deny access and service according to policy, and they can invite police onto their premises to deal with customers who they would consider to be trespassing.
what is important to understand is that because police involvement would be strictly dependent on a shop calling for intervention along normal lines – and note that the chair of the National Police Chiefs’ Council has said that “retailers would be expected to refuse entry to customers without masks, and only call police ‘as a last resort’” – then it means that there is no legal pressure on shops to adopt the policy that is being urged upon them by UK Government. To put it another way, there is no punitive measure to be taken against shops for not making it a store policy whereby access and service is denied anyone refusing to wear a mask.
So, here are the fundamentals of the issue. Either a shop will let you in without a mask, and then serve you without a mask, or it will not. If a shop insists on a mask, either at the door, or at any other time when you are on the shop’s premises, then it’s because it is the store policy. There is no shop under any pressure from UK Government to enforce any regulation that may or may not have been published by 24th July. So, your beef, if you didn’t want to wear a mask and you were being required to do so, would be with the business. It wouldn’t, at that particular moment, be with UK Government
As for the shop that is essentially implementing a policy that you do not agree with, the normal way for any self-respecting person to react would be take their custom elsewhere – and this is indeed what must be done...... Remember, this would be about abiding with shop policy ....... if you can go somewhere else to get it, then walk away from the shop.
........ the claiming of medical exemption (without legitimacy) in order to get into shops. .....gives power to the illusory regulation.The exemption at issue is not really one from legislation, it is exemption from the application of a shop’s policy, and there’s a really strong objection to be had about it: if you are inventing excuses to get into a store that you shouldn’t be giving your custom to, then what the hell are you doing? The exemption should be claimed by people who qualify for it, and have no other choice but to visit a store where policy is for face masks to be worn.
freya
Jul 25, 2020
I also felt that the two week run up to mask wearing hyped up the anxiety and made it into some sort of significant event. If they had just said mandatory from tomorrow it would have not been anywhere near as effective and may even have failed completely over the following weeks due to low uptake. crafty buggers
Question for the post author - if you go into a retailer without a mask say two days in a row so two visits and you are not challenged, also the store has a ‘polite’ notice on their door not an imposition notice, does that set a precedent for the shop then not to be able to change their minds on successive visits because they didn’t challenge you he first two previous times?
I'm just getting around to watching yesterday's UK Column news on Masking, its hilarious !
Pants on head seems to be ok as a mask if u wear them round the right way!
Yeah i watched that and loved it just what is required we cant take them to seriously i liked the gimp one on Michael Gove i could imagine him wearing one of those I like the fact they were calling it coroney and saying how its getting confussed about who it is supposed to be attacking brilliant stuff all the analysis of the different masks so funny
curtinj25 - Yes they still manage to cheer you up and give you a bit of a laugh, even though there is nothing to be cheerful about at the moment. Laugh in the face of adversity is all we can do.
But all the unmasked are at home shopping online...
But as I remarked earlier all the unmasked are at home shopping online..
Yes I work in a supermarket, 5% masked yesterday 100% today. 10% of staff unmasked. I worked the morning, my son worked the evening we both found it incredibly distressing today, both of us tearful at feeling so alone. We know we aren't but today felt like being in a Black Mirror episode.
I am exempt but I really can’t face going shopping, I agree I would find it very stressful and I feel really sorry for you. You both have my utmost sympathy, I am lucky in that I can avoid the shops by shopping online, you have no choice whatsoever..
Been back at work for 2 months, not worn or been asked to wear a mask.. Nobody i know or they know has had coronavirus. Today at work, forced to wear a mask, just to put fuel in car for work. Masks must be worn in Petrol stations, totally stressful situation, to wear a mask just to pay for fuel.
Shell petrol stations have signs on windows, you will not be served, if not wearing a mask, but the staff are not wearing them.
We have a shell, we cannot refuse you, think about it you already have the goods ;) I am going to use the app to get my fuel from now on, no need to go in. This is particularly ridiculous as at times I work in the petrol station!
you're right, you can drive in and get the fuel mask-free right? so then the only way to pay is by card or app. Nice one. THEY have thought of everything eh? If you dont comply with the mask they can still force you to go along with cashless, another 1 of the Agenda 21/30 tricks.....
Am I being thick? You drive in, with or without a mask....you put your card in and it authorises a fill up to £99......they authorise the pump....you fill up and drive off. Which bit of the process do they stop you?
apparently Bboris Johnson doesnt believe in an in a nanny state thats why the government want us to wash our hands regualry wear masks and keeping a two metre distance
can u expand on that Curtinj? Not following the logic exactly...do you mean he is nannying us even tho he says he doesn't believe in it? To my view Boris is a smoke and mirrors guy. No-one seems to kno what to make of him as he is very unclear. I get that confusion is part of the Game of The Deep State but I am not sure he is entirely bought by them......however he does seem to be joined at the hip to Cummings who is a lot more transparent about his agenda.....its a puzzle....
I thought (s)he was being sarcastic...
Thnx ZJ will watch
Has anyone considered attending local shops and supermarkets as a mutual support group? Not practical for some but perhaps quite easily arranged for others. This could range from just passive support, through loud 'conversations' decrying and/or mocking the wearing of masks, to much more organised things such as 'flash-mobs'.
People seem to be largely working on their own at the moment.
As so many people are exempt from wearing Masks for health reasons it seems to me we ought to somehow be campaigning for shops to have a separate shopping time for the "Unmasked. Its only like what we did at the start of Pandemic ie offer The Vulnerables and Elderly their own shopping slot away from the herd.
Then all the Rebels can just go on those days too.... and pretty soon half the people wearing masks out of fear will join the unmasked days/times to shop?
I think the way to do it might be to write to all the Big Chains with Petition type letters to ask them to give the Exempt a shopping slot? Any other ideas? Not sure petitioning the Guv makes any difference as Boris is leaving us to it. Could perhaps write to local councillors. But again they seem to be just puppets. I think the approach needs to be to the big supermarket chains. Anyone able to see a good way to go about it?
These are very good and sensible suggestions. However, we are not dealing with a sensible government (and that's putting it nicely). I think the snag would be that the supermarkets are all falling over themselves to be seen, at least, to comply with the latest government edict. I think peaceful guerrilla tactics are the only things that are going to work at the moment. I myself am not keen on going into a supermarket on my own since Friday (fortunately I have the opportunity of shopping online), but with a bit of support...
I would also look to support those shops and supermarkets that adopted a 'light touch' approach and boycott those who were aggressively enforcing the rules.
I think this is not a good idea. It can easily become a public order offence. Mocking others is disrespectful and not their fault they are making choices according to their mindset which yes is a manipulation from the top but not per se the cause.
Petition to repeal mask edict: please sign as soon as you can, (found on Lockdownsceptics.org ):
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/331430
Done :) :)
18,502 this morning at 6.30am
Posted on twitter feed and in replies of others tweets I suggest perhaps you guys do the same
Done!!
Great stuff, if we could get to 100,000 wouldn't that be good. I have been through the studies and there is no way masks will reduce this virus as the particle size is far too small, but the damage to people's health through low oxygen, build up of CO2, accumulation of bacteria & viruses through preventing their clearance is likely to be high, just as the damage from house arrest has been. Cheers
Would be fun to see a few of these young Gods parading around the streets
here 😀
Someone on FB went in like this:
😀
Brilliant I want one
These type of masks are most effective when worn in large groups
laworfiction.com have just published a toolkit for applying the reasonable excuse exemption when out and about: http://www.laworfiction.com/2020/07/face-covering-litigation-threats-and-administrative-headache/
Thanks very much for the alert: challenge by the legal and medical profession is exactly what is missing in this nightmare. I wonder if they will be tracked down & lose their licenses like this courageous doctor:
https://www.stopthenewnormal.com/british-pakistani-doctors-licence-revoked-for-peddling-coronavirus-conspiracy-theory/
Unfortunately, all the institutions are controlled by and are filled with progressives...
The long march and all that...
I urge everyone to read this article and print copies to hand over to small businesses so they know where they stand. Large corporations like the supermarket chains know exactly what they are doing so don't waste your energy there.
http://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2020/07/face-coverings-in-shops-its-all-about-store-policy-and-its-reward-or-punishment-so-dont-make-excuses-to-be-allowed-in/ Face coverings in shops: it’s all about store policy and its reward or punishment – so don’t make excuses to be allowed in ......what the UK Government’s so-called coronavirus restrictions regulation concerning face coverings in shops in England essentially amounts to is the suggestion of store policy for businesses (to be adopted or not as any particular business see fit). ... come the 24th July, there would have been 10 days since the initial announcement of the regulation clearly means that there has been a lengthy gestation period in which the public has had a lot of time to be anxious. In fact, it would be accurate to say that the public has been overwhelmed by the talking point in all corners of corporate, alternative and social media. It therefore struck the author that, having created a deal of psychosis in a public fearing an impending monstrous imposition, the UK Government would not in the end even have to legislate for people to wear a mask in a shop. They would do it because they believed it was a real requirement. At the crux of what is essentially yet another magic trick, then, are two factors: i) the public has generally been convinced about the inevitability of face coverings, and ii) shops have essentially been persuaded that they need to expect lots of customers wearing masks. This has all been done through an initial announcement in the House of Commons, and UK Government guidance. Additionally, in the case of the public .... intense media coverage has been pivotal. Indeed, such is the good job that has been done in the traumatising and the hypnotising of the public that the just mentioned guidance is believed by many people to be the absent legislation some shop management (especially amongst supermarkets) will undoubtedly say to itself, “the majority of our customers will be wearing masks, so we will implement policy according to Government guidance so that this commonality of attitude is not made jealous, agitated, or upset by those who would rebel”. And there it is: compulsory wearing of masks in certain shops achieved without legislation. Instead, all that was fundamentally required was huge amounts of exposure of the public to an idea that was fed to them remorselessly by, and in every variety of media. Imagine, ....that UK Government doesn’t in the end create the Statutory Instrument that orders the obligatory wearing of face coverings in the shops. Imagine it is in this context that you want to go into a supermarket, but are prevented from doing so at the door because you are not wearing a mask. If you point out that there is no law against not wearing a mask, it doesn’t matter. You won’t be allowed in because it will be store policy based on what the supermarket has interpreted as Government guidance. To reiterate: the wearing of face coverings in shops is purely a matter of policy. look back at what chief coronahoax criminal and Health Secretary, Matt Hancock, said
What is essentially being done here is instruction – or guidance, if you like – given to shops to refuse entry at the door. It is also instruction to call police to deal with a person or people who might prove to be undesirable on a shop’s premises. But the really significant line is in the second paragraph: it says, basically, these things are what shops would normally do. Exactly; they can deny access and service according to policy, and they can invite police onto their premises to deal with customers who they would consider to be trespassing. what is important to understand is that because police involvement would be strictly dependent on a shop calling for intervention along normal lines – and note that the chair of the National Police Chiefs’ Council has said that “retailers would be expected to refuse entry to customers without masks, and only call police ‘as a last resort’” – then it means that there is no legal pressure on shops to adopt the policy that is being urged upon them by UK Government. To put it another way, there is no punitive measure to be taken against shops for not making it a store policy whereby access and service is denied anyone refusing to wear a mask. So, here are the fundamentals of the issue. Either a shop will let you in without a mask, and then serve you without a mask, or it will not. If a shop insists on a mask, either at the door, or at any other time when you are on the shop’s premises, then it’s because it is the store policy. There is no shop under any pressure from UK Government to enforce any regulation that may or may not have been published by 24th July. So, your beef, if you didn’t want to wear a mask and you were being required to do so, would be with the business. It wouldn’t, at that particular moment, be with UK Government As for the shop that is essentially implementing a policy that you do not agree with, the normal way for any self-respecting person to react would be take their custom elsewhere – and this is indeed what must be done...... Remember, this would be about abiding with shop policy ....... if you can go somewhere else to get it, then walk away from the shop. ........ the claiming of medical exemption (without legitimacy) in order to get into shops. .....gives power to the illusory regulation. The exemption at issue is not really one from legislation, it is exemption from the application of a shop’s policy, and there’s a really strong objection to be had about it: if you are inventing excuses to get into a store that you shouldn’t be giving your custom to, then what the hell are you doing? The exemption should be claimed by people who qualify for it, and have no other choice but to visit a store where policy is for face masks to be worn.
I also felt that the two week run up to mask wearing hyped up the anxiety and made it into some sort of significant event. If they had just said mandatory from tomorrow it would have not been anywhere near as effective and may even have failed completely over the following weeks due to low uptake. crafty buggers
Thank you for this super smart reply
Question for the post author - if you go into a retailer without a mask say two days in a row so two visits and you are not challenged, also the store has a ‘polite’ notice on their door not an imposition notice, does that set a precedent for the shop then not to be able to change their minds on successive visits because they didn’t challenge you he first two previous times?
They are now talking about making it compulsory to wear gloves as well. This govenment has really lost the plot.
I'm just getting around to watching yesterday's UK Column news on Masking, its hilarious ! Pants on head seems to be ok as a mask if u wear them round the right way!
https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-24th-july-2020
Yeah i watched that and loved it just what is required we cant take them to seriously i liked the gimp one on Michael Gove i could imagine him wearing one of those I like the fact they were calling it coroney and saying how its getting confussed about who it is supposed to be attacking brilliant stuff all the analysis of the different masks so funny
it cheered me up no end
curtinj25 - Yes they still manage to cheer you up and give you a bit of a laugh, even though there is nothing to be cheerful about at the moment. Laugh in the face of adversity is all we can do.
Will this help?
http://www.laworfiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Face-Covering-Exemption-Notice-with-Law-Explained-24-July-2020.pdf
I am going to my local Tesco for some lunch my new motto is I am going to risk it for a biscuit
Watch before ye judge the contents of the book by the title ;)
and read the comments....its a brain twister but shows the lengths we need to go to to get Truth out there....funny that YT bots fell for it and liked it up to 19k then had to take out 7k likes once someone realised what was going on, strange they haven't deleted it yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1bc5500tBQ&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR299ZDc0W3Jwue7kt_Ol4i6EM8ltHXHL-G93rwpGPQyuI7AJeZ7kRsJoR8