The meetings in Trafalgar Square are great for uniting people and focusing their attentions but to my mind Trafalgar square is absolutely the wrong place to be holding them.
Let me explain.
I think that the powers that be (BJ and his lot) could not care less about the protests. I would bet that if asked, they wouldn't have the first idea what any of the speakers were talking about. Thats the job of the state security (Stazi) The Square is a perfect place for THEM to allow a demonstration. They herd the people into this large area, pretty much walled in and without many exits. The police are finding it easy to control things, even to mount 'practice' baton charges, they have a captive audience. If this was a military campaign, Trafalgar Square would be one of the better places to drive the enemy into for the reasons above.The police can cover ALL exits quite easily and can control what happens inside.
In short, the government does not have to worry about the protest.
This kills the whole point of the demonstration entirely - So what if a few people want to scream and shout, they cannot do much more than that and we can stop it at any time we want.
The demonstrations should be held in a wider, open environment, there are places, Hyde Park, Parliament square (not quite so good but a powerful psychological area being the seat of government) etc where the Authorities cannot contain or control the protesters quite so easily.
The demonstrations are not achieving a thing. After each demo, the government hand out stiffer regulations, almost like a snub to the people and to re-enforce their power. Believe me, we can shout and scream about how they do not have power but when a group of guys are holding you down with batons etc, it is they who have the power over you! especially if you have nowhere to run.
By holding these demonstrations in a more open area, the authorities will have to earn their money in keeping control. Or in other words, they will be highly inconvenienced and this will have much more impact than the Trafalgar square demos. The authorities will have to commit more resources to the demo, forcing the powers that be to start taking notice. The IRA were masters of creating pandemonium without actually doing very much, just the threat of what it could have done.
We are being threatened with the Army on the streets - I think that this is a psychological threat. A government who puts the army on the streets of its nation is declaring civil war on the people, at that point ALL demonstrations are off and armed rebellion begins. If you want to look for a model, look no further than Northern Ireland. The army on the streets achieved what? - The generation of paramilitaries, petrol bombs, rubber bullets, car bombs, barricades, interments, bared wire, killings etc. Not even BJ would risk that. The army DID NOT control anything and achieved nothing, I know, I was there!
Could we not arrange protests, like slow moving trucks along main routes, parliament square, City of London etc, people walking behind, blocking roads etc where it will have a direct impact on these people, closing the city centre and the financial areas, leaflet distribution, best of all, its legal, they cant do anything about heavy traffic or walking people. This will have a far larger impact than packing people into a square and saying get on with it and '.....oh yeah.... what are you going on about?'
Right now, we are not making progress. Look at the Poll tax Riots. It was ONLY when people started taking the initiative that the government listened and eventually scrapped the tax. We need to be more proactive.
Just some thoughts!
Some good points you make @stevehabberley , I agree that the demos probably don't achieve anything. but they do give us all a chance to show and feel unity with each other, which gives us strength and inspires others. So maybe the demos seem not to achieve much but have a hidden positive effect. I also think they do send a message, because if 35,000 people wanted to storm the houses of parliament, they could, and there's not a lot that could be done to stop them. And the powers that be know this- they are crap scared that people will actually do that. So in my view it's a balancing act, be there in numbers, just to remind them it is a delicate balance, but not to be the antagonisers, do not give the excuse to run the predictable 'conspiracy theorists riot in London' headline. Now is not the time.
You do not need to give them an 'excuse' to run that headline, they will anyway.
I will be going to the protest in Trafalgar Square. I realise we are still in the minority. But are we? Maybe we are part of the silent majority who are brave enough to scream and shout and not give a damn. Everyone who attends will help send a message into the wider community. Maybe it will make people wake up from this insane nightmare and think we have a point. We can't just give up. Hopefully more and more people will start showing their discontent and follow us. I live in a remote part of Cornwall and people here feel they need to get to the Capital to get the message across. It's a start. We cannot cave in to a Government who are now resorting to using CULT tactics to scare us. Using rewards is a classic method of control in a cult. IF WE DON'T BEHAVE ourselves we won't get a reward.(more freedom,easing of social distancing etc)Then more strict measures will surely follow.We need to break out of this cult of fear and compliance. Leaving a cult is very very hard but it is possible.
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No one is saying give up. Change tactics where our efforts cannot be ignored. as yet we are not the majority, not even close. 35k or even ten times that is still not close when you consider a population of 67 million. Therefore the protests of this relatively small group MUST be of the highest value. There is no point otherwise. The government really do not care if there are protests every week. If you want proof then the government are introducing tighter restrictions despite the protests. It means nothing to them, therefore we need to protest in a way that will make them take notice
The government are aiming towards a 23 hour a day curfew, look at Australia. They don't care about what people object to. Their main agenda is to stop people meeting, discussing and planning against them. Exactly the same as the Nazis banning meetings of the jews, to stop organised resistance. We need to act soon because when this 23 hour lockdown comes and it is coming, it will be nearly impossible to organise anything meaningful then we are stuffed well and truly. We cant let it happen and then complain about our lot if we did nothing to stop it. Simply shouting and marching is not going to stop this government.
Like switching off electricity every Thursday 8pm
Well, ok on some of the things you say. I dont think that the powers that be are particularly scared at the moment. They are doing nothing to appease the people, instead are increasing the restrictions. That is not the actions of a frightened government. Yes 35K Could storm parliament and get away with it but 35k or even three times that figure are still small percentages compared to the rest of the population. Parliament are pandering to the people who are still in the majority (I dont want to call them sheeple but you know what I mean). These people are so very scared of authorities, the army and anyone else who says that they are going to enforce more rules and they have the vote!
The government are replicating their stance with Northern Ireland, let them demonstrate all they want, we will contain whatever they do. Until the day came when they couldn't contain anything. Then the Army were sent in, Its funny really, The ONLY european country to have armed troops controlling the population and yet we were having a go at Russia about human rights!
Exactly! 35k is a fart in tornado and I been complaining about this where I could, especially on youtube protest videos. I was expressing how very disappointed I am with such low attendance and I compared it to Germany. Berlin - 3.5 mil residents, 1.3 mil people protesting against London - 16 mil residents in urban and city area and only 35k people protesting. It is as sad and disgracefull as it looks and sounds. All we need is numbers ! I don't believe that if there would have been 5 million protesters, that government wouldn't noticed. And that would be a great start. Later on 10+ millions and we can achieve something. If nothing else at least an opened debate between Boris and someone else from our crowd about this situation that we are in. That's all what it would need for this fragile house of cards to fall apart. One opened discussion, that will appear in TV.
But I also said, that this time when there will be not at least 2 million protesters in London, we can actually go home and start praying because the game is almost over. The only hope if we won't achieve millions in numbers would be the court cases and I'm not talking about Simon dolan, but against coronavirus act, where actually lawyers fighting it on legal grounds and not like Simon fighting it because he don't like it. I wouldn't be even surprised if he would have just take the money and withdraw from the hearing to save his own bacon at least. And if even the court cases will get dismissed or something similar... I will die defending my family in our house against this regime as I will not surrender to anyone or any fascist ever !
Peter agreed , but might help to know that in Scotland our wannabe dictator tried to intro herself as 'heid gardner' to all our children and make all headteachers and health visitors associate heid Gardner's, where parents were resigned to posts of bearers and bill payers. Opponent's to this (I was one and campaigned ) were subjected to slander of 'being abusers' and ' if it saves one life relinquish your parental authority' and 'if you disagree you are literally killing children' etc.....see how this totaliriansism works? Same no matter what. We had 37000 public support.....a fart worth eh. But, won at supreme court and a ragey Scot gov had to give up and give in when th y tried everything to keep it (at our taxpayer expense). Scot gov (SNP) were and are furious at us. It's tenacity we need, and numbers but not so much numbers you think (but i truly would love the numbers) . Simon doesn't matter why he doing this, he doing it and anyone else have finances to do it I welcome also. We are all individuals and all have a personal agenda as to why we doing it. We not some hive mind thank Christ. He wants to save his business I believe, I want to save my kids autonomy. Eac to own but as I don't have money then I will rely on rich to battle this fortheir agenda. Their agenda helps my kids. In meantime, I may falter and be upset wit non stop darkness vibes but I will never give up. Just same as named person - I'm human and will be hurt but I promise this, I will stand back up. Our govs are power mad, they show this time again and show their anger in many ways.
Steve agree with all your points the protests need a more defined strategic approach. Traf square is a walk in the park for the Police to kettle crowds and block exits. Readjust approach with a new strategy moving forwards.We need more numbers which will come when unemployment soars. I will be there again this Saturday with no fear unite for freedom movement is growing in numbers. Thank you for your expert suggestions and advice you know what you’re talking about.
Thank you!! My experience comes from serving in N.I and I found it difficult if you were the sort of person who analysed instead of simply doing as I was told. I know how they think because I was on the 'other side', oppressing the local population (with hindsight and age, - totally the wrong thing to do) I can see so many parallels in this campaign and how the authorities acted in Northern Ireland. To the point where I can predict their next move. They are not even that imaginative! I imagine most other 'thinking' ex services can see it too. We are a relatively small group and so EVERYTHING we do MUST provide maximum return. Shouting, marching and singing around a square is of very little value in progressing the fight.
You ex service men may contact these protestors organisation with advice if you haven't already. What you saying is very important- they have no imagination and now with you and other ex military hindsight you would all be of huge value to those fighting for our freedoms. Im appalled btw of how our gov treat our ex military given what they made them do (NI, Iraq Afghanistan etc etc). I hope you are ok
@AutonomousAmy Thanks for the post. I have PTSD but I think thats par for the course. I am no hero, I did what I was paid for. I am trying all I know to get things moving. I fully support the Traf Sqare protests, I really do but they are never going to be enough and I think we have limited time before curfews etc destroy our abilities to protest and so I think we should extract every ounce of value from every protest.
@stevehabberley Well, you are right, the only purpose it serves is to show people who have doubts that there are others thinking similar - bit like masks don't do anything but are there for reassurance.
What do you propose? Should we start getting Molotov Cocktails ready?
Well, I am convinced that if the 35k people meeting in Traf Square were to be mobilised, walking along main routes of the city, Whitehall, down to parliament square (the seat of power, psychologically a powerful place), Horse Guards Parade (again, the road leading to the Palace, another psychologically powerful place to have a rally). Maybe following trucks moving slowly in front of the walkers. This would almost stop traffic on the roads, causing all sorts of problems for the Police. Essentially this whole area is the money making centre, hardly any residential properties for the normal person (exluding the queen!!) If this is disrupted, people WILL sit up and take notice. Moreover it is legal. There is no obstruction laws that apply because people are moving, just slowly. The police will have to provide huge resources to monitor the marches, costing lots of money because all the side streets will have to be manned etc. The government will HAVE to sit up and start taking notice because the ONLY thing they understand is excess spending of their(ours really) money. They don't like expenses that do not earn them anything. in return. again, slow moving people blocking parliament square, which will impact upon parliament itself, causing problems for MP's entering the commons. Force them to listen to us as they go to work. All sorts of other variations on the theme exists. I am sure you could think of others yourself. All peaceful but lets not forget that if ANYONE threatens or acts in such a way that makes you feel that you are being threatened, you are perfectly entitled by law to defend yourself using reasonable force, think about this, if a man runs at you wearing all sorts of body armour, waving a stick at you, you are by law allowed to defend yourself in like manner. (naughty steve - do not even suggest such a thing!!!)
The problem, I think, with Traf square is that the protesters, as noble and well meaning as they are and dont get me wrong, I FULLY support them, but to me it is obvious that they have run out of steam. They are congregating in a square, listening to some speeches and chanting a few things for a few hours and then dispersing. Why would the authorities really worry about that? we need to take the fight to them., and in a way where they CANNOT ignore whats being said.
@stevehabberley I agree we could definitely be making a much bigger impact if our numbers were better organised. I like the sound of blocking Whitehall or Parliament, as it's important to make an impact while at the sime time not screwing over ordinary people.
@Ed Agreed. I think that the plan is to add and increase curfew times that has nothing to do with any virus and has everything to do with control. They do not want people congregating, discussing, planning etc because they know we are not happy with their behaviour. The Nazis did exactly the same thing with the jews.
Therefore, we MUST make every protest/meeting/demonstration count, be of maximum value, because they will soon make it almost impossible to hold such rallies. The ONLY thing the enemy understand is hitting their pockets (even if it is supposed to be our money). Force them to allocate massive resources to things we do. They will then start to take notice of what we say.
Agree with pretty much everything everyone here has said.
Thanks Steve, for a useful post. Due to my work over thirty years, I know that there are several levels of effectiveness on the rallies that are being held all over UK, actually all over the planet, (if they can get out of their houses!)
There is the example set for those who still believe the scam programme who may be encouraged to find out what the 'nutters' are rallying about (and then be stunned into joining in)
But he invisible effect is the most important, crowds create energetic output, we and everything else are composed of energy. The centre of the cabal web trying to trap humanity is low-frequency, 'dark' energy, this is then being transmitted through accepting humans and other conduits. Low frequency 'dark' energy can be transmuted (dissolved) by positive frequencies. THEY KNOW THIS !!
The emotions of those attending rallies - a call for justice, a rejection of all aspects of control, a call for honesty, respect, ethics, caring, service- to- others instead of service- to -self, transparency and so much more creates a huge rolling wave of energy.When this is further projected by using the human voice (and throat energy centre) it does have a direct dissolving effect on the spider's web that desires to entrap us.
If this sounds 'woo-woo' or too far out, remember that it is ancient wisdom, also science knows that a crowd of people in a high emotional state, perhaps crying, can start others off doing the same even if those people do not know why they are also crying. This is energetic communication.
Those who are really behind this planetary attack know only too well of the power of the human consciousness which is why they have orchestrated a very long campaign to weaken it - IT HASN'T WORKED - we are told by those on the energetic 'front line' that they are now in panic, seeing their plans going awry, throwing every last piece of weaponry at us. This can be seen by the utterly ridiculous behaviour of the current perpetrators and their ever-changing, inaccurate and deceitful words and actions based on fraud and lies that we can clearly see !!!
Every single person who can do anything at all to add to the building energetic charge that is dissolving the web, is doing a grand job, whether it is attending a rally, writing letters, posting on forums, planting a seed or two in the minds of the 'sleepers', putting a 'Keep Britain Free' sticker on their car or window, etc.
This is a very ancient plan involving 'dark' against 'light' and the current final push is merely a last symptom and not the main battle which has been won.
To quote David Icke again - WE ARE MANY, THEY ARE FEW.
Peace to All
Barbara, am a sensitive and always have been. I see things and get backlash for it. I also pick up vibes and people and it has affects. You're right tho, am hunkered in trying to recoup myself at min but this energy is overwhelming. I wont go any further but to say I hear you.
Spot on I believe.
Wow Barbara. I am going to the rally in Trafalgar Square. My pent up frustration and anger at the current situation is blowing my mind.I need to go. I want to scream from the rooftops regardless of who hears. The "energy" I believe ,in a large angry and passionate crowd is infectious and it will spread to the wider community somehow.
Trafalgar Square is a start.There may be better places but we are in the Capital and will be noticed.
I have already spoken at a smaller rally in Cornwall. I cried afterwards and I knew that others felt the same passion. The same intense energy. It didn't matter that only 200 people were there. The energy was there.
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Diane, that is great! We are energy Beings, we can use what we have within us. Certain factions have used sound frequencies to subdue a crowd, it is known that we are energy beings, it has just been hidden under 'mainstream' religion and science in order to divert is from remembering who we are!!
Peace to All
Frequencies yes. This year has been especially hard on my hearing and sight. The noise is deafening but only me in family can hear it.
Let the peace energy, the love energy and whatever form you call God (even if that is just your belief in yourself) be with us all today. Let us be the call for truth to put an end to to the lies and deceit. M
Martin,I fully support that.
For those energy-sensitive people who are 'suffering' from the increasing energies, including being 'deafened ' by sound, try the following powerful visualisation called The Protective Breath' - it is taught to most healers and other energy workers.
Stand with arms by the side of the body.Relax shoulders, take a nice slow breath.
Mentally have as your intention - I am going to clear and protect my energy field
Imagine roots growing from underneath the feet going down into the earth, this is 'grounding' us in our energy field.
Imagine a source of Light about 1 to 2 feet above the head, no need to 'pull' the energy, it just flows - be relaxed about it.
imagine it flows down in a 'pool' around your body,to the floor, reaching out about three feet in circumference. (the outer edges of the human energy field)
Wait for a moment, then allow the visualisation to fade away, it's nice to say thanks!
This works because we are Energy Beings and can work with energies, we have just forgotten that, or trained to forget! It is useful for being in a crowd, in a workplace where people are stressed, being in the presence of someone who 'gives us the creeps' and is worth doing twice daily at the moment due to the stress energies being created and broadcast as we go through this experience.
Peace to All
Difficult to find a good quality live stream, but here you go by RT Germany:
Many thanks Veritas for the stream, much appreciated. Very difficult to find words that adequately describe the police and their commanders!
Peace to All
Very disturbing - and that's putting it mildly. Still, there must be some positives from it. The people are stronger than them.
Great vid :)
I am a bit sensitive with noise and I didn't feel comfortable with the chanting with choose your side in the last rallys because that is the kind of language George bush used when saying you are either with us or against I agree with the points steve is making about protests not achieving that much although they may also give courage to other people to stand up for their rights also what I am standing for is freedom of choice where people are not being forced into something through the threat of punishment they are making a decision which is right for them so providing people with information may help people to empower themselves
The protest should be right outside Buckingham palace and should not leave. This current from of government organised and sanitised show of displeasure is..... 😔
'What are you protecting' I heard in live streaming? Legitimate question! What are the police protecting?
I was watching the live feed from 'Tyranny Finder UK' on YouTube and thought the demonstration had been scuppered from the start. If you watched 'Ruptly's' YouTube feed, it seemed no-one further than 30 feet from the stage would have heard anything......then when the police went in....my heart sank and my anger welled up.
I've just posted this on Alex Belfield's YouTube comments. I agree with the original poster here......this protest has to get a lot more savvy.
Here's an idea.......since the LAWFUL demonstration yesterday was UNLAWFULLY broken up, we need to protest in a much better way. It struck me while watching the proceedings on 'Tyranny Finder UK' channel, that the authorities have done everything to stop a LAWFUL demonstration, by not allowing videoscreens, by not allowing large PA systems, by flying helicopters overhead and finally, using force with the 'riot police'. EVERYBODY in this movement needs to get a lot more savvy. They (the authorities) did this because they were PREWARNED about a demonstration taking place. They succeeded because people were not organised. WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY TO MAKE PROTESTING A SUCCESS.
As flashmobs have produced in the past, assembling huge numbers of people, who emerge from the shadows is something that no GOVERNMENT or tyranny could handle. Imagine for one second, if people were to converge on Matt Hancock's house....I don't know where he lives....but imagine 2000 people chanting outside his house? Or Chris Whitty? Or Patrick Vallance? or......you name it.......What about invading Media City (Salford) where the BBC broadcasts from? I'm sure other people could be equally creative......
WE ARE AT WAR, with an enemy that hides in the shadows.
It's time we did the same.
Doctor, we are deeply sorry for your experience yesterday. Another example and confirmation placed under the world's spotlight.