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Aug 16, 2020
Need help - Just returned back from France yesterday afternoon; been told to isolate; this isn't right. How can we challenge the PTB?
Need help - Just returned back from France yesterday afternoon; been told to isolate; this isn't right. How can we challenge the PTB?
Ignore the rules
Ajay - If I had just come back from France , I would just walk the hell out of the door. However, I don't have job or a family. Everybody's circumstances are different. We must do what we think best.
Thanks for the replies everyone. It's really nice to know we are supported and have a place to share ideas. I have a few friends in other parts of the country and they feel like they're the only ones in their area (including family members) who can actually see all the BS for what it is.
My neighbours are pretty cool, but you never know really.
I'll keep you all updated if I find out any more info or if i get a call from Public Health England.
But if any of you find any statistics or a 'get out of jail free' type piece of information, please post it here or ping it over to me privately.
My next battle/task is with the schools and questioning how they will conduct themselves when the kids return. https://usforthem.co.uk/ has some interesting bits to read. Also been here https://www.gopetition.com/petitions/if-theres-no-proof-the-virus-exists-end-all-lockdownsmaskstraxvax-actions-2.html#.Xyjk4EIvXtB.twitter
Next time you see someone without a mask on in a shop, give them a smile, it might just be me xxx
How are they going to monitoring if you do or not?
Acquiescing to these "rules"is accepting tryanny and oppression.
We all have to resist if we disagree (which any independent minded free thinking person should).
It's not easy I know, but all off us against this, need to push back. While we can.
If the authorities try and impose fines or prosecutions, let them, and fight it.
All these rules are currently unchallenged, and are subservient to higher laws re human rights.
Set up a crowd source to fund a legal challenge, and we'll all support you through it.
You say your worried about the implications for your family if you don't house arrest (you have to be infected to quarantine) I'd be more worried for your family if you do accept this.
Virtue is in action, not words.
Push back, for your family and all humanity
Hi Dave,
I agree. Well said.I agree 100%.
Update: Nobody called during the 2 weeks to check us. Although another family member come back from Portugal and they were called once. Caller said 'where are you', family said 'at home', they said ' you know we can come round don't you!'. The answer should have been, 'Sure come round i'll put the kettle on, how long will you be?
They just try and put fear in you. It's so wrong.
Anyways, off to the London gathering tomorrow. Maybe see you all there.
Thank you all for your help. I will check out the other threads and see if I can help in anyway. xxx
@Ajay - I don't want you to incriminate yourself, but I do hope you at least managed to get out for a little walk. As I said in my previous post: 'Surely they won't be ringing people up every hour God sends? Also will they be speaking to every person in the household to see if they are all in??' And see, nobody rang you at all. It's all scare tactics to have you cowering in your house for 2 weeks. They just haven't the manpower to monitor everyone 24/7.
Yup, i hear you both and agree, i would do that as well if it was just me, but I have to consider how my actions might impact on my wife and three kids. I swear we are all going to go 'postal' in a few days. We all love to go out, especially the little ones.
We are threatened with a potentially huge fine and then what... I heard they call you three times and if you don't answer they send the Police round. This is crazy. If we'd come home 10 hours earlier we wouldn't be here.
I'm going to try and find out what i can, but if anyone has any info, common law etc. if they could share, please do.
Maybe try contacting Divine Truth 2 who has just posted this - https://www.keepbritainfree.com/forum/your-stories/basic-guide-to-legalese-trickery
p.s. try putting terms like 'common law' , natural law etc etc into 'search' - that should lead you to posts that are from the folks who are in the know on these matters.
superb, thank you Bryan. I'll check those out.
Ajay - Please let us know how you get on. I would be very interested to see how this pans out. There are thousands coming back from quarantine countries. Surely they won't be ringing people up every hour God sends? Also will they be speaking to every person in the household to see if they are all in?? My only worry would be busy body neighbours who would 'tell' on you if they saw you out and about going for a little walk. Every possibility that they could be infected and you aren't. The whole thing is a farce!
As usual Grumpy I agree with your sensible thinking. Q. If your only means of contact is your mobile wherever you are at the point of being called you would be able to answer, background noise could be you were in the garden. Its a risk I know and most of us would prefer not to lie but like most of the test & trace this government produced with its World Class label has fallen flat on its face is this any different?
Are there any statistics backing up proof of disobedience, police involvement and the ultimate fines, and I wonder how many of MPs have followed their own rules. This government knows it only has to shout, that fear comes back and they win hands down, mostly! If you had good neighbours they should be encouraging and not wishing you harm after all you have to live together. Having said that my husband's grandparents lived in the same street as whoever told the Germans about the Frank family, says it all really.
https://rafapal.com/2020/08/16/inspector-jefe-de-policia-aleman-llama-a-la-desobediencia-policial-ante-las-ilegitimas-medidas-represivas-de-la-falsa-epidemia/
Watch this video, from a German Police Inspector talking in public to the people in Germany. He claims to be and serve for the people and that all the laws built by their Government towards this fake pandemic are against human rights and their Constitution and therefore the people have all the rights to protest. This is what the police should be doing in every country. They know they are following ilegal orders.
It is in German language with subtitles in Spanish.
Our police at one time were proud to be called the thin blue line, that fine balance between democracy and anarchy, not any more. In fact I think they have almost helped us get to where we are, so why would you expect them to fight our corner.
One of the many cults which are emerging in the current situation.
Ajay, could I ask a question - were you warned that you had to quarantine when you came back through customs? In what way were you told to isolate - was it directly at you and your family? I am wondering if this is the government just trying to scare people into compliance. We had it with other, ahem, 'rules' - couple or so weeks ago we had people terrified to go shopping without masks but then that turned out to be unenforceable .
Hi Bryan,
The border control guy on the French side was nice, he wasn't wearing a mask or gloves (all border people on the UK side were wearing those as we left the UK). He even touched my wife's phone to check the visa information; no signs anywhere and no leaflets given out directing us what to do or needed to do when we returned, just a quick remark 'you know you need to isolate' and that was it.
We had to fill out this online form before we left - https://www.gov.uk/provide-journey-contact-details-before-travel-uk
@Ajay Thanks - it's good to hear your experience and cheers for the link.
In-laws currently in quarantine, lets see what the gov. do in their case. Update to follow.