So I have been reading a lot about Trump standing up to the Elites and that he is 'draining the swamp'. There is certainly some evidence he's not going along with all of it - he's the only head of state (apart from Bolsonaro and some African countries as far as I know) who is backing HCQ. He's arguing with Gates and now doesn't have Fauci as a side-kick all the time. And he said something like 'I have no friends' or 'I'm unpopular' in a recent press conference.
The press have always made him out to be an idiot and I confess I thought so too. Now I'm wondering if maybe I was wrong.
Was I?
Would be interested in the community's views. Thanks.
I'm on the fence about him Livvy. Not sure if he is the real deal or is part of the controlled opposition.
TPTB have three main ways to silence voices they don't want heard - 1, disappear them (difficult to do with a US President). 2, Assassinate them (see JFK, Abraham Lincoln, and maybe more recently Dr David Kelly of 'dodgy dossier' fame, plus multitudes more that were reported as suicides). 3, Ridicule them (see David Icke and anyone the MSM refer to as a 'tin-foil hat conspiracy nut'). So Donald would probably qualify on point three when you see the MSM narrative against him.
Having said all that, I haven't seen him accomplish a whole lot when it comes to draining the swamp, so as I say I'm 50/50 and hope to be pleasantly surprised in the future.
There have been 25 attempts on Trump's life since 2016 according to Dr. Rashid Buttar and others, but not publized due to the empathy and sympathy he'd receive. Whatever he's doing, long may it continue as the alternative doesn't bear thinking about.
Wow, I didn't know that Livvy, I'll check that out and reconsider my 50/50. Thanks for the update. 😎 EDIT: Sorry, I should have addressed that to Alexandra. 👀
Thanks Alexandra and LW, this is exactly the information and debate I wanted. Hope this carries on and we all learn something. Any other views?
Pro Trump. The lockdown revealed so much.... ....there are many saying he is our only hope and if he doesn't win its game over for humanity. I sure dont see anyone else helping us, esp in the UK. Boris has thrown us all under the bus.
I tend to think the intensity of the anti-Trump censorship speaks for itself.....
Absolutely correct have been following him for 6months our only hope for sure from this evil
Having said that there are numerous things I dont understand which DO make me wonder....for instance.....Assange......5G...... the smoke and mirrors around mandatory vaxxing in the USA I can understand as its a political hot potato....
Yes, MG55, still lots that doesn't make sense. I guess Trump has to tread carefully for whatever reasons. He has power - but there are limitations and he may be playing a more skillful game than we realise? He is sending out a lot of messages he knows what is going on. His support of Dr Stella Immanuel was VERY encouraging.
Assange is going to testify for Trump for sure remember the wikkileaks
@caramia I hope so caramia and that Assange gets pardoned. Something is going on - but nothing will happen until after November. What do you think?
He's a VERY good guy, the people who hate him don't understand how lucky we all are that he's there. There a reason why WikiLeaks had to come out against Hillary and the faction of entrenched corruption she represents - which is one in the same as the Bush family. You guys might like this meme video 'Trump Vs CNN Alien Queen' haha; twitter.com/Chewbacca20001/status/1272205877311877123
Thanks Doug
You are correct on my page for months now
Both Trump and Johnson are obvious ZOG puppets.
Agreed. He clearly has links as they all have. His power is limited but he still seems to be making some effort to speak out. What do you think?
Admittedly it certainly appears on occasion that these leaders attempt to do the job they were elected to do. However, personally I view these efforts with scepticism for the following reason. As details of the Epstein/Maxwell business begin to emerge it appears on the face of it to confirm what many in the alternative sphere thought they knew for a long time, i.e. that the disgusting world of elite paedophiles is linked to security services (namely the Mossad) and their efforts to blackmail officials (including politicians, royalty and CEOs) at the highest level.
That being the case, if you were say Donald Trump (a quick google image search will reveal his intimate ties to both Epstein and Maxwell) would you consider it wise to go off message if your head was on the block?
There is evidence that Trump kicked Epstein out of Mara lago when he found out what he had been up to. This info came from someone that worked in his household. He also helped investigators.
@caramia That makes sense to me.
Thanks Cliff, I agree there were definite links as you state. However, Trump was much younger then. Not sure is there are any links since he became president - do you have any? I just wonder if he turned against them when he was fighting Clinton for the presidency and since becoming President has made some effort to 'drain the swamp'. They wouldn't have been arrested if Hilary Clinton won.
Similarly he seems to support QAnon and she never would.
I am still open-minded on this and looking for opinions and evidence either way.
Pretty sure you're not going to find any links since he became president. But nevertheless, you can't just "switch off" blackmail. Publicly Trump may have appeared to distance himself from Epstein and crew but I'm damn sure Mossad still have the material evidence that could destroy him. His role as ZOG emperor is far more apparent in his attitude to Israel. It's not exactly a secret that he's possibly the most pro-Israeli pro-Zionist president of all time. His "gifting" of the Golan Heights and the moving of the US embassy to Jerusalem are just two examples, and Netanyahu remarked that he is “the greatest friend Israel has ever had in the White House.”
Also this https://www.cufi.org/trump-spending-cuts-leave-military-aid-to-israel-untouched/
BTW there's strong evidence suggesting that Q is an intelligence services operation.
I don't have evidence but I am suspicious. He could be the Joker in the pack. Recently was around 1 of these Wealth, Power n Old money types and its a different world they live in compared to ordinary mortals.....we are nothing to many of them, just disposable commodities...theres sooooo much we dont know or see going on behind closed doors...but 1 thing that seems obvious is they have ordinary Joe Blow over a barrel currently, with no intent to let up.....wave after wave of shocks predicted... and all coming at us from many different fronts, deliberately so, designed to scramble everyone to such a degree we'll be begging for order out of the chaos and fear and the Overlords can step in with their diabolical control mechanisms.....
Many say if Trump is not re-elected the whole planet is down the toilet. Thus all efforts must be made to get him back in. I would support him if I was in the USA because it seems like the best strategic move to make for extending the chances of survival.
Trump is not supportable over everything he does or says but He IS supportable and worthy of support not just for who he is but also because the Dems are a deranged bunch with vicious rabies. I am not even RW, well I wasn't before sane became RW.
American Christians are, as a bunch, very misguided over their unconditional support of Israel. https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/10/31/the-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestinian-christians-that-nobody-is-talking-about/ This is one article which shows how misguided it is for Christians to have unconditional support of Israel.
There is mounting evidence that the deranged Democrats have every intention of making the first move to initiate civil war (they've been trying to trigger it for a long time) if Trump wins.
@Veritas et Libertas Agreed Veritas. Democrats definitely deranged. Thanks for posting. I love Amazing Polly.
I think he is a con artist and a bully just playing the political game when it comes down to it he will just fall in line with the global elite he has surrounded himself with goldman sachs people plus he never went ahead and prosecuted Hilliary Clinton for any of her crimes he ran casinos which are not exactly great for the wellbeing of people he is interested in fame and power and brags about how much money he has he doest uniteAmerica look at how divisive it where has he ever campaigned and stood up for human rights he is a businessman interested in living a rich lifestyle
He is also a war criminal same as the majority of US and Uk predients how can you be a good guy when you drop bombs on people and order illegalassinations
Trump appears to have inherited wars as opposed to having started them.
@Ursula Riches he may of that's true he still did give the order to assassinate the Iran army general which could of led to another war with Iran
I also did not like that Soleimani was killed either. As said, I have misgivings about the blank cheque given to Israel to commit atrocities and this was done on behalf of the Zios. Trump is misguided re Israel. As we Christians pray the psalms, Israel surely means, God's people and this is by no means the Jews per se. Jesus came to be a light for all the world and so Christians who accept Him are Israel, not the people who reject Him and do not do His will. Trump is a jolly good and well meaning President who thinks that he is doing God's will. Throughout the Christian communities and RC church, there is a modern pandering to the nation state of Israel. The RC have more of the OT than the Jews do in the Vulgate and all RC Bibles. Are there Christians who are more Jewish than the Jews, meriting to be known as Israel? In the US, there is also too much tolerance given to the homosexual community. Whilst I criticize Trump, I still do support him and value his contribution for good against the insane maniacs who have decided that they are left wing liberals and woke. I call woke washed as in heavily brain washed.
Now that we are seeing how many lies are being fed to us, it is time that those who can see, re-examine their attitude to the existence of God, to Jesus and to His Holy Mother.
Unfortunately, the RC church is mass infiltrated by errors and heresies by those who reject the very notion of Purity..and Holiness.
Thanks Cliff, NewMoon and curtin - I hope other people will keep contributing to this as the posts seem 50/50 and I'm still confused. Maybe the heading should be Donald Trump Bad Guy or Less Bad Guy? Anyone?
Heading should have been: Trump - Good Guy, Bad Guy, Turd?
@shadams3670 Yes, maybe - MSM all over the world saying exactly the same thing, which makes me suspicious.
Trump, the good guy but misguided in some big areas. He is still definitely worth backing, particularly for those of us who know that women do not have the Y gene.
Mappin is pulling out all the stops to get Trump re-elected as he sees it as game over for the lot of us if Trump doesn't get in:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtnnieFxMxQ&feature=youtu.be
Thanks for posting NewMoon, interesting video, I hadn't seen before.
He's clearly part of the psyop. Look at the facts. He allowed the US economy to be effectively broken, which is the prime goal of the people behind the NWO. He has spoken of delivering vaccines to the entire population using the military. He must know this whole thing is a hoax but he has done nothing to stop it. I was a Trump supporter up until the day the lockdown was imposed. I realised immediately I had been duped. I also realised that there were no longer any doubts about 9/11. It was stage one. We are in stage two. Things have become so bizarre they are saying that if people start ignoring this hoax they will do something even more ludicrous, such as fake an alien invasion. I no longer raise my eyes when I hear this. Judging by the response of the majority to this nonsense it is clear the vast majority of people on the planet are not very bright. So I really do believe billions would actually fall for it.
Thank you for your contribution stateless2 - very interesting.
Hear you Stateless - so who do you support now? I mean in the scenario you are describing it seems you are stuffed either way....all of us are.....the old way of electing Leaders when they are all working for the same corrupt elite appears well and truly over.....
I followed him and the Q train for quite a while. For me, it is now something to forget and here's why.
Whilst he is doing many good things (give a little, take a lot) he is going along with the vaccine agenda, allow the Clintons to walk around after all the illegal activities they have shown and did nothing about the Epstein saga when he knows, personally, how deep that particular rabbit hole goes. If he really wanted to 'drain the swamp' he would be able to practically overnight by exposing the criminals over their predilection for our children.
Distraction at best and controlled opposition ready to kick off another American civil war at worst.
Yes. He's done nothing of any consequence. He's clearly there to keep the right wing quiet.QAnon is undoubtedly a CIA psyop.
Lots of people WANT a vaccine and Trump is giving them what they want whilst not forcing the vaccine on the rest of us.
Thanks Chris. I just wonder if it is possible to 'drain the swamp' overnight. One guy - even the most powerful (well allegedly) man in the world couldn't combat the global corruption (mafia, drugs, paedophilia, people trafficking, big pharma etc etc) on his own. Or could he? Not wanting to disagree - just asking. I'm still 50/50.
Is the Q train the same as QAnon, which is trying to expose the elite paedophiles? Some beleive in it and some say it's another pycop. Also MSM (US and UK) are all demonising him, while supporting all the covid nonsense. That makes me suspicious. Also I wonder if he really does support the vaccine agenda - he is pro HCQ and has spoken out in support. Who knows. Any thoughts?
Look at the side-effects of Hydroxychloroquine. Similar to what they claim are caused by the rona. It's a bluff. Cleverly done. If you are against vaccines you may be duped in to taking it. Remember. The virus doesn't exist. Knowing that gives you a real insight in to just how deep this goes.
Jesus did not root out all corruption in our world, that is down to us to do, in collaboration with Him and one another. Perhaps we need to work very hard on ourselves too. Those who think they do not need to may be the very ones who need to the most. He is the Light by which we can see.
Hey Livvy
True but then if this Qanon (Q train - I call it this as many people get on board with a vague idea of where they're going and vague idea of if they're going in the right direction. Muddled stories and muddled times on arrival at destination) is to be believed then there are a huge Army of people behind the POTUS working to 'drain the swamp' and give the power back to the people. When this will happen and how is never quite clear but just enough hope is given when they hang some of their own 'Epstein' (who incidently doesn't seem to be dead) and I believe Prince Andrew will also be one.
One of the things I am currently learning is behavioral science and how they are using this against the public. Mind space - a government document - will explain more if you haven't already read it.
Causing confusion and division is a main starting point. This enables 'them' to roll out important subliminal messages to start easing in policies that we would normally reject, think Masks - confusing and contradictory statements which came after much subliminal imaging of China and Japan and the such like wearing masks and doing better than us, and then we gladly follow
I feel, at times, that Trump and Qanon are doing the same to the American public.
Ultimately, time will tell. I don't trend to trust any public 'official'
Thanks so much for a really interesting reply Chris. I hear what you say and agree your reasoning. Perhaps I want to think Trump is working in the background to address the corruption and 'save the world'. Some hopes I know. As you say everything is so confusing (and not by accident) and we are all still learning.
Any other views either way would be appreciated.
I did too.....It's easy to fall in to that and ignore the facts. But I understand where your coming from.
He's like OB1, he's into keeping a sovereign state unlike most other countries.
The first
President in 50 years to drastically bring down medicine prices and stand up to big pharma. Sticks to what he says. Brought manufacturing back to America having taken it back from China. Stands up for the average citizen in America against global msm and Facebook, Twitter, Google and giant tech. Trillions. Dismantling the human trafficking network around the world. Don't believe th BS msm attacking him from every angle.