It's incredible that what are normal high street scenes in Sweden, now looks like a bizarre sight. Where are the masks, stickers and signs? Why aren't there bodies piling up on the streets? Maddening to think how far we've gone down the crazy spectrum!
The Swedish experience has been so different to ours. Please read the latest blog from Malcolm Kendrick, which features a piece written by a Swedish emergency room doctor who worked throughout the pandemic. He explains the case fatality rate and says that by "removing the bandaid" right at the start, they have now got herd immunity. This doctor has stated that by "removing the bandaid gradually", they have caused more problems by allowing the virus to re-emerge (then the idiots start to panic and close things down again - definition of insanity? keep doing the same thing over and over and expect a different result!) A goog read - if only those clowns, Whitty, Valance and the "Sage" lot, would read it too - but it won't make any difference, as their fragile egos are at stake!
I genuinely hope that someone can shut me down on this but am I he only one who is suspicious of the Swedish lockdown?
While I am 100% in agreement that Sweden did the right thing in "protecting" its economy by NOT locking down as we and many other countries did, I think we should refrain from praising the Swedes for a while even though their unilateral stance has benefitted our argument against lockdown. Sweden is a super-nanny state and, as a result, Swedes (in general) are very trusting of their government (as a close Swedish friend once put it to me in a discussion on vaccines). This means that, as their government already has its population under the thumb, there was no sense in risking any of this control with a heavy lockdown (bird in hand).
Remember, the Swedes failed to protect their elderly and did close high schools and univerities. Sweden went almost cashless since about 3-4yrs ago despite protests from the older population and and have actively promoted body-microchip technology. Most cash available today has probably been brought in by tourists or Swedes living abroad and returning on holiday.
I suspect that, if/when push comes to shove, the Swedish government will bring out the jackboots and show its true colours. I really, really hope I am wrong.
On the other hand, the UK population, like many other countries, had to be suddenly "whipped" into shape to catch-up with the "required" level of control as dictated by the cabal. Sadly to say, our government seems to have the upper hand and has succeeded in putting most of the sheeple into their pens, thanks to the MSM. But, I still believe that we are winning the battle.
100% agree MickeyG – as always, the true situation is far more complicated. The Swedish Government are not paragons in all this. Dr Jon Tallinger aka Dr Whistleblower tells how ‘care plans’ (which came from the top) instructed doctors to withhold oxygen from the elderly and let them die. Watch this video and see how horrific it was.
Interestingly enough Jon Tallinger is pro mask and pro-lockdown - so work that one out. I think it’s as a result of his experiences with the elderly. As always nothing is as it seems.
@LivvyB Thanks for your posting. Especially the video. Glad to have some support on the issue. Until now, I had never heard of Jon Tallinger. Brilliant eye-opener. I agree, very odd that he should be pro-lockdown. He seems very clear in what he witnessed. We'll have to keep an eye on Sweden over the coming months...
I agree about Sweden being a bad choice of a model country, its controlled.
The real question is why is there such a huge disparity between the outcomes globally, the politicians and experts lectured on about the virus knows no borders to achieve lockdown compliance, but does it make sense that certain countries have over 600 deaths / 1M, while others have less than 1 death / 1M polulation?
Here are the top 11 excluding tiny countries.
Peru, Belgium, Spain, Bolivia, Chile, Brazil, Ecuador, UK, USA. Italy (1st world problem!)
These are some of the countries with less than 10 deaths / 1M.
Guinea, Ivory Coast, Nigeria, Singapore, Mali, Somalia, Slovakia, S Korea, Madagascar, Sierra Leonne, Syria, Malawi Ghana, Ehiopia
These are some of the countries with less than 5 deaths / 1M.
Rwanda, Niger, Burkina Faso, Benin, Jordan, DRC, China, South Sudan, Angola, Malaysia.
These are some countries with less than less than 1 deaths / 1M.
Burundi, Taiwan, Tanzania, Vietnam, Sri Lanka, Myanmar, Papua New Giunea, Thailand, Uganda, Mozembique
Could it be the use of hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) as a prevention and treatment? Many African countries take small doses of HCQ as prophylaxis for malaria.
Look at the scientific research on HCQ and, in particular, the graphs at the top showing different countries’ use of HCQ:
BTW – ignore the poster on his walls. He has followed the Government’s line throughout all this, but is slowly starting to question it. His work on Vit D3 however is really good.
It’s obvious lock-downs don’t make any difference but Vernon Coleman thinks all the hype about Sweden might come back to bite everyone in the bum - if they get a 'second wave'. We’ll have to see if that happens.
The HQC and Vitamin D stuff, which has been well and truly suppressed, makes sense to me. I think emphasis should be placed on HCQ and Vit D because if these work there is no need for vaccines, lockdown, masks or any other nonsense. End of.
No I don't believe its got anything to do with medication (HCQ or supplements). Have you followed Andrew Mather's (Peerless Reads) data analysis on u-tube? His charts verify the deaths and cases data is corrupted by the agenda nations with the highest death rates. These are mainly the western power centres, including the UK, and parts of South America. The highest death rate by far is New York City, with 92 death days (that is the CV19 deaths in NYC equate to 92 days of the normal daily death rate), when in the far east its typically 0.2. Quite impossible for the most advance health care system to incur deaths a factor of 460 times less developed parts of the work. Here's a link to his latest summary.
Like you, I do not trust any data AT ALL. You are no doubt aware of the recent CDC report showing only 6% of deaths in US could be attributed to covid19 alone:
I looked at the video you recommended, but prefer more comprehensive analyses such as the one by Ivor Cummins, which explains the science and logic behind the stats:
I disagree it is ‘quite impossible’ for the most advanced health care systems to incur deaths a factor of 460 times less developed parts of the world. What happened in some of the most advanced hospitals in the world was tantamount to murder. Not only were covid19 patients put unnecessarily on ventilators (more money from insurance), they were refused oxygen and inexpensive medication, which could have saved their lives. Furthermore, these advanced institutions made decisions to send infected people back into care-homes, death certificates were incorrect and, well, you know the rest.
By contrast, many African countries, for instance, have established protocols for dealing with real deadly viruses like Ebola and malaria and, many employ natural remedies and drugs, which actually work, such as HCQ.
I note you dismissed my scientific evidence, which is fine. I am happy to agree to disagree and I respect your opinion.
Out of interest what do you think is the reason for the disparity in number of deaths? This is a BIG question and we’d all love to know the answer.
Did you delete a response you posted last night? If you did, I think that was very wise. For the record I am aware of Koch's postulates and the implications for vaccines. Are you aware of the excellent work of Judy Milowits? That would be my suggested study for you.
I am also aware of Andrew Mather of Peerless Reads. I saw him on UK Column and have watched some of his videos. As menioned before, everyone agrees the data is corrupt, although different analysts believe it is corrupt in different ways.
There is clearly some debate over the Gompertz curve and you and I have differeing views on that at the moment. My views change all the time with updated information and I may well change my mind if I find more credible sources of information. However, fot the time being, we must agree to disagree on that.
We do, however, both agree that Sweden is probably controlled. I would still be intrigued to hear your explanation for the disparity in the number of deaths across the world and why you reject the scientific research on HCQ.
I was trying to edit my post very late to add the latest video just released by Andrew Mather but the website froze, I ended up deleting the post and starting again. The new video replaces the text anyway.
I believe that HCQ has anti inflammatory properties so I suppose it could be useful for a respiratory track infection. Its not a distraction, but with the fact that the vast majority of deaths attributed to with CV19 are mostly over 80 yrs old with average 3.3 comorbidities it’s not significant in the overall scheme of things. These people were going to die anyway.
The answer on the deaths reported with CV19 is to bring the totalitarian technocracy into force in the developed countries. Countries like China were excluded because its their system being rolled out across the world. Forget about HCQ and vitamins, that’s John Campbells game, look at the bigger picture as your staring down the barrel of a gun.
It's incredible that what are normal high street scenes in Sweden, now looks like a bizarre sight. Where are the masks, stickers and signs? Why aren't there bodies piling up on the streets? Maddening to think how far we've gone down the crazy spectrum!
Who'd have thought that treating the voting public like responsible adults and not like naughty children would work out so well...
Excellent, love the Krishna bit at the end, wonder if it is possible to move to Sweden, this circus has way too many clowns....
The Swedish experience has been so different to ours. Please read the latest blog from Malcolm Kendrick, which features a piece written by a Swedish emergency room doctor who worked throughout the pandemic. He explains the case fatality rate and says that by "removing the bandaid" right at the start, they have now got herd immunity. This doctor has stated that by "removing the bandaid gradually", they have caused more problems by allowing the virus to re-emerge (then the idiots start to panic and close things down again - definition of insanity? keep doing the same thing over and over and expect a different result!) A goog read - if only those clowns, Whitty, Valance and the "Sage" lot, would read it too - but it won't make any difference, as their fragile egos are at stake!
Part 2, Daily life and mythology
Part 3, The Numbers
Part 4, Lessons and Conclusions
I genuinely hope that someone can shut me down on this but am I he only one who is suspicious of the Swedish lockdown?
While I am 100% in agreement that Sweden did the right thing in "protecting" its economy by NOT locking down as we and many other countries did, I think we should refrain from praising the Swedes for a while even though their unilateral stance has benefitted our argument against lockdown. Sweden is a super-nanny state and, as a result, Swedes (in general) are very trusting of their government (as a close Swedish friend once put it to me in a discussion on vaccines). This means that, as their government already has its population under the thumb, there was no sense in risking any of this control with a heavy lockdown (bird in hand).
Remember, the Swedes failed to protect their elderly and did close high schools and univerities. Sweden went almost cashless since about 3-4yrs ago despite protests from the older population and and have actively promoted body-microchip technology. Most cash available today has probably been brought in by tourists or Swedes living abroad and returning on holiday.
I suspect that, if/when push comes to shove, the Swedish government will bring out the jackboots and show its true colours. I really, really hope I am wrong.
On the other hand, the UK population, like many other countries, had to be suddenly "whipped" into shape to catch-up with the "required" level of control as dictated by the cabal. Sadly to say, our government seems to have the upper hand and has succeeded in putting most of the sheeple into their pens, thanks to the MSM. But, I still believe that we are winning the battle.
https://neonnettle.com/news/8143-thousands-of-people-in-sweden-get-microchip-implants-replace-cash-credit-cards?utm_source=Neon+Nettle+News&utm_campaign=003ab2802b-EMAIL&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_463f93dbc0-003ab2802b-40340389
100% agree MickeyG – as always, the true situation is far more complicated. The Swedish Government are not paragons in all this. Dr Jon Tallinger aka Dr Whistleblower tells how ‘care plans’ (which came from the top) instructed doctors to withhold oxygen from the elderly and let them die. Watch this video and see how horrific it was.
Interestingly enough Jon Tallinger is pro mask and pro-lockdown - so work that one out. I think it’s as a result of his experiences with the elderly. As always nothing is as it seems.
@LivvyB Thanks for your posting. Especially the video. Glad to have some support on the issue. Until now, I had never heard of Jon Tallinger. Brilliant eye-opener. I agree, very odd that he should be pro-lockdown. He seems very clear in what he witnessed. We'll have to keep an eye on Sweden over the coming months...
Yes V et L - I agree with Vernon about Sweden. We'll see.
Any comments on this video did the rounds a couple of weeks back?
https://t.co/WF5WWT7MdX
I agree about Sweden being a bad choice of a model country, its controlled.
The real question is why is there such a huge disparity between the outcomes globally, the politicians and experts lectured on about the virus knows no borders to achieve lockdown compliance, but does it make sense that certain countries have over 600 deaths / 1M, while others have less than 1 death / 1M polulation?
Here are the top 11 excluding tiny countries.
Peru, Belgium, Spain, Bolivia, Chile, Brazil, Ecuador, UK, USA. Italy (1st world problem!)
These are some of the countries with less than 10 deaths / 1M.
Guinea, Ivory Coast, Nigeria, Singapore, Mali, Somalia, Slovakia, S Korea, Madagascar, Sierra Leonne, Syria, Malawi Ghana, Ehiopia
These are some of the countries with less than 5 deaths / 1M.
Rwanda, Niger, Burkina Faso, Benin, Jordan, DRC, China, South Sudan, Angola, Malaysia.
These are some countries with less than less than 1 deaths / 1M.
Burundi, Taiwan, Tanzania, Vietnam, Sri Lanka, Myanmar, Papua New Giunea, Thailand, Uganda, Mozembique
And some with 0 deaths.
Laos, Cambodia, Mongolia, Eritrea
Hi FTM888 - interesting question.
Could it be the use of hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) as a prevention and treatment? Many African countries take small doses of HCQ as prophylaxis for malaria.
Look at the scientific research on HCQ and, in particular, the graphs at the top showing different countries’ use of HCQ:
You can verify figures by looking at the WHO data for any country.
See search function for other countries.
Furthermore, there is compelling research showing Vitamin D3 can prevent infection and hospitalisation:
https://febs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/febs.15495
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.04.20188268v1.full.pdf
https://www.nof.org/news/joint-guidance-on-vitamin-d-in-the-era-of-covid-19-from-the-asbmr-aace-endocrine-society-ects-nof-and-iof/
The scientific findings are sometimes hard to interpret, so there is a link to a video by Dr John Campbell who will do that for you:
Dr John Campbell – youtube summary of research
BTW – ignore the poster on his walls. He has followed the Government’s line throughout all this, but is slowly starting to question it. His work on Vit D3 however is really good.
It’s obvious lock-downs don’t make any difference but Vernon Coleman thinks all the hype about Sweden might come back to bite everyone in the bum - if they get a 'second wave'. We’ll have to see if that happens.
The HQC and Vitamin D stuff, which has been well and truly suppressed, makes sense to me. I think emphasis should be placed on HCQ and Vit D because if these work there is no need for vaccines, lockdown, masks or any other nonsense. End of.
No I don't believe its got anything to do with medication (HCQ or supplements). Have you followed Andrew Mather's (Peerless Reads) data analysis on u-tube? His charts verify the deaths and cases data is corrupted by the agenda nations with the highest death rates. These are mainly the western power centres, including the UK, and parts of South America. The highest death rate by far is New York City, with 92 death days (that is the CV19 deaths in NYC equate to 92 days of the normal daily death rate), when in the far east its typically 0.2. Quite impossible for the most advance health care system to incur deaths a factor of 460 times less developed parts of the work. Here's a link to his latest summary.
https://youtu.be/fUZCL3LqL3Q
Hi FTM888
Like you, I do not trust any data AT ALL. You are no doubt aware of the recent CDC report showing only 6% of deaths in US could be attributed to covid19 alone:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm
I looked at the video you recommended, but prefer more comprehensive analyses such as the one by Ivor Cummins, which explains the science and logic behind the stats:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIFzaac&t=1236s
I disagree it is ‘quite impossible’ for the most advanced health care systems to incur deaths a factor of 460 times less developed parts of the world. What happened in some of the most advanced hospitals in the world was tantamount to murder. Not only were covid19 patients put unnecessarily on ventilators (more money from insurance), they were refused oxygen and inexpensive medication, which could have saved their lives. Furthermore, these advanced institutions made decisions to send infected people back into care-homes, death certificates were incorrect and, well, you know the rest.
By contrast, many African countries, for instance, have established protocols for dealing with real deadly viruses like Ebola and malaria and, many employ natural remedies and drugs, which actually work, such as HCQ.
I note you dismissed my scientific evidence, which is fine. I am happy to agree to disagree and I respect your opinion.
Out of interest what do you think is the reason for the disparity in number of deaths? This is a BIG question and we’d all love to know the answer.
I suggest you study this presentation by Peerless Reads, the problem with the data is explained. The other analyses you point to misses the key issue.
https://youtu.be/Gor5CGWN4r0
Did you delete a response you posted last night? If you did, I think that was very wise. For the record I am aware of Koch's postulates and the implications for vaccines. Are you aware of the excellent work of Judy Milowits? That would be my suggested study for you.
I am also aware of Andrew Mather of Peerless Reads. I saw him on UK Column and have watched some of his videos. As menioned before, everyone agrees the data is corrupt, although different analysts believe it is corrupt in different ways.
There is clearly some debate over the Gompertz curve and you and I have differeing views on that at the moment. My views change all the time with updated information and I may well change my mind if I find more credible sources of information. However, fot the time being, we must agree to disagree on that.
We do, however, both agree that Sweden is probably controlled. I would still be intrigued to hear your explanation for the disparity in the number of deaths across the world and why you reject the scientific research on HCQ.
I was trying to edit my post very late to add the latest video just released by Andrew Mather but the website froze, I ended up deleting the post and starting again. The new video replaces the text anyway.
I believe that HCQ has anti inflammatory properties so I suppose it could be useful for a respiratory track infection. Its not a distraction, but with the fact that the vast majority of deaths attributed to with CV19 are mostly over 80 yrs old with average 3.3 comorbidities it’s not significant in the overall scheme of things. These people were going to die anyway.
The answer on the deaths reported with CV19 is to bring the totalitarian technocracy into force in the developed countries. Countries like China were excluded because its their system being rolled out across the world. Forget about HCQ and vitamins, that’s John Campbells game, look at the bigger picture as your staring down the barrel of a gun.
Shall we agree to disagree - this discussion is going nowhere. I've made my point and you've made yours. Have a nice day.
I got the impression I was wasting my time answering your questions.
Same here. Have a nice day. 😊
You didn’t answer any questions - but have a nice day anyway.
Your questions were too hard and you literally destroyed me. I'll try and have a nice day. 😪