So glad that I have found out about KBF. We might have gone to Hyde Park yesterday if I had known about it before, although having to put a mask on to get on the train would probably have put me off.
It's clear that in my area, Havering, few people will wear masks voluntarily, looks about 1 in 10 in shops, and I am against compulsion to do so especially when the places it applies and doesn't are so illogical.
My question is about the exemption criteria "Serious distress". How is this defined ? If a police officer questions someone claiming this exemption what happens if they refuse to accept your word that you are exempt and issue you a fine? Can a shop, or anywhere else, refuse to let you in if you are exempt.
When I think about being made to wear a mask, let alone wearing one ( which I haven't had to yet), I genuinely get a physical response in getting very agitated, anxious and feel my blood pressure rise, so surely this is causing me serious distress and I am able to claim an exemption. However I do not want to risk a fine and criminal record so am I am able to claim this exemption and what happens if I am challenged by a police officer ? To anyone else I will say I have asthma as that's easily understood and should avoid a confrontation but I would think lying to a police officer is an offence of its own.
Also what does a mask ned to be made from. I see words like "should" used when describing a 3 layered cloth fabric. However that is not a "must" so can I use a 1 layer piece of net curtain or a mosquito net draped over a hat ?
In the meantime I will avoid shopping as much as possible
Chris
I feel the same, Chris. I am strongly opposed to being forced to wear a piece of rag on my face when the 'risk' is less than me being struck by lightning and the virus is all but gone. This order is purely to coax back the frightened sheep to the shops but it will have the opposite effect. This sends out a false message that we all have something to fear, it keeps the sheep in a permanent state of terror.
Hi Chris, I think you have pretty much summed the dilemma most people have, we all want to be law abiding citizens, but this mandatory mask issue is a red line for some, especially when it's clear it won't actually make any difference to the spread (even the government admit its really about (supposedly) giving the general public more confidence to return to shops and would only have a marginal effect on spreading any virus).
I think any shop can enforce their policy and refuse to serve people without masks if thats the route they want to take, so my plan is just to attempt entry maskless and if challenged I would say I'm exempt as it "causes me severe distress" (the exact wording from - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own ) if they insist then I will leave and take my business elsewhere.
Not sure on the police side of things, although pretty sure it would NOT be classed as criminal offence, just a fine issued. I believe these fines could easily be challenged at court (pretty sure most "lockdown" fines that were challenged were cancelled but can't find anything online to back that up (shocker!) )
But if you voluntarily leave an establishment if challenged, don't see how the police would ever be involved. Or as a last resort maybe keep a snood in back pocket and comply in extreme circumstances?
My opinion is that the mask situation is just a test to see how much they can get away with without major pushback and most of the sheep in this country are opening the door wide for authoritarianism, no doubt madatory vaccines will be next. I honestly think if the government suddenly announced that it was mandatory that you had to hop on one leg to enter shops, as they believe this would help slow the spread, most people would comply!
Hello All - I have been into M&S, ASDA and Sainsbury's and absolutely none of the staff had a clue about the legislation being brought in, or the exemption rule. They said 'I'm led to believe', or 'I think'. I said show me the guidelines in black and white. Eventually a lady in Sainsbury's spoke to somebody in HR upstairs. They said that they won't be challenging anybody who doesn't wear a mask in store who has an exemption. I expect any shopkeeper can refuse to serve somebody for whatever reason they wish. When I rode a motorcycle, I got refused service in dozens of pubs for having a helmet and leather jacket. As for the police being called and fines imposed. To me this is just scare tactics. I'm sure ordinary citizens will be ok. This will be more likely for those who kick off with hostility/violence towards the shopkeeper. I have spoken to a few now as well as their staff, and they are getting just as stressed about it as we are. I am going to get in touch with my solicitor to find out what their stance is on all of this. Especially the Government guidance on 'reasonable excuse'. Will keep you posted on how I get on.
As a shop worker I can say quite a few of us are getting as stressed about it as many non-maskers are. I would imagine as long as a 'non-masker' is polite there is no reason for the police to be involved, I myself will not wear a mask (the thought sends me into a panic) and will simply not enter anywhere that requires me to (or asks for proof that I can't!). When I am working I am more worried about the terrified maskers who may be pointing fingers at me demanding that I should now be wearing one than I am of those who wish to politely enter the shop without a mask. I can't speak for my managers of course, I have no idea what they have been directed to do, but I sense none of them would relish the thought of being aggressively confronted. I often work on the customer service desk and would say, as someone who has been on the receiving end of verbal abuse from customers (nothing to do with masks - all way before this), anyone being polite is far more likely to achieve their goal than someone who is being aggressive. I suspect, though can't guarantee obviously, most who don't want to wear a mask will be polite and will receive politeness in return and hopefully still enter the shop.
Grumpy Cat,
It will be interesting to see how the mask mandate plays out across the retail landscape. I think the big players will accept mask exempt shoppers and they have security guards who can intervene if the zombies kick off. The smaller chains and certainly the independents, won't have read beyond the mandate headlines and there will be a lot of friction. I will NEVER wear a muzzle, it will simply not happen. They can shove their vaccines too.
I will not wear one either. The thought makes me feel sick, it's not the mask itself it's the oppression and the force that is being used. At first I decided to just shop online but then I change my mind, we have to make a stand and take the consequences.
At the end of the day, whether or not the shopkeeper can refuse to conduct business with you, is a private matter between you and the shopkeeper.
I don't believe it's a criminal act.
You have the right to walk away and not engage in any conflict.
I'm exercising my right regarding as "exempt". I have a doctors note and showed the letter header in my local Supermarket, who said I didn't have to.
They were absolutely fine and said, no problems at all.
Good luck and fight for freedom.
Obviously this has nothing whatsoever to do with a supposed 'virus' and everything to do with destroying the private sector and shopping in towns and city centres.
The goal is part of Agenda 21. Smart cities is where they want us, a la the Chinese model. So expect more emphasis on zoonotic diseases and the threat of animals both wild and domestic to our health. They have started pushing this meme recently to push people off the land and in their smart cities. The mayors of these cities will act like many of the Governors in the Democratic controlled states in the US.
The only mask I will wear if I am really forced to is a V for Vendetta mask.
I will not take their vaccine. This is the next big thing of course. The next generation vaccines use gene therapy so they will literally change you DNA. On top of that they will include nanotechnology in there. People will die because of it, they always do and they know this. They will claim the virus has mutated in to a more virulent form. Stefan Lanka, a German ex-virologist and a real scientist predicted this many years back. It looks like he knew exactly what was going to happen.
Do not under any circumstances take the vaccine.
Veritas Vicit - I don't think the new Emergency Corona Virus Bill 2020 contains anything about mandatory vaccines either. However, the way this Government brings in sweeping changes at the drop of a hat these days I wouldn't get too complacent.
Agree, there is nothing and I don't think there will ever be, however I wouldn't be surprised at all if they used dictates (statutory instruments) to block unvaccinated from access to certain services or place various restrictions again without any debate therefore making voluntary vaccine rather compulsory which then can be argued on the 'without disadvantage or prejudice' basis if it comes to that.
Secondly, I'm not a lawyer, but if they claim that masks are 'preventative' measure therefore Article 6 should apply?
Veritas,
This is exactly the way they will make the vaccines mandatory without actually mandating them. we, the refusers, will simply be denied services, employment, medical access, public transport, benefits, education etc etc. We will be blamed for "new outbreaks", "selfishness", "a surge in cases", "killing children and the vulnerable"" etc etc. The irony being that we all know ( and they know) that it is the vaccinated who shed viruses and fresh outbreaks are overwhelmingly traced to viral strains.
What’s been going on in this country and globally for a very long time is too big a story of deceit and corruption for most people to want to digest but some of the comments posted here identify those people who have done their research over the years but, in the telling of it, have found themselves in the wilderness. The cleverly conjured disparaging misnomer of ‘conspiracy theorist’ is an attack by real conspirators against those trying to expose them and the BBC is a major corrupt accomplice in this endeavour. What’s reassuring here is that this scam has now ripped the blinkers off a huge number of men and women who possess an independent brain.
Finding a cover story for the long-awaited crashing of the US dollar global reserve system and replacing it with a new digital currency has been perplexing those at the top for many years and time has been running out. That, and population reduction. Something devastating had to occur to facilitate the racking up of trillions in debt through economic disaster so our real wealth (not fake fiat) can be sucked up by elite bankers in a manner far greater than the financial grab of 2008-9. Along came the idea of Covid-19 with bought bogus science and a complicit elite-owned media.
What’s been the real shocker (and ecstatic relief to the elite) has been the public’s response to it which has enabled political puppets to roll out medical martial law with gleeful, experimenting impunity. Even hardened conspiracy observers; me and my close family included; are saddened by the Stasi-state that has so eagerly sprung up – who needs police when neighbours turn enforcer. As David Scott from UK Column on the madness of 2020 has eloquently pointed out we are — "a society defined by fear" that has "consented to destruction." Joseph Goebbels had a similar plan during WW2 – ‘if you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.’
Simon Dolan (and Robin Tilbrook) have been judged by a corrupt judiciary (seen personally in action on many occasions through the trials and abhorrent treatment of David Noakes and Lyn Thyer) and Simon’s latest attempt to push further action for judicial review to Keep Britain Free is going to be a huge test for him and the corrupt judiciary. KBF is a wonderful idea but is déjà vu to many and until such time as all courageous groups bring their efforts together and more high-profile, protected whistleblowers venture out these parasites will continue to thrive whilst killing dissenters in the process.
This comment isn’t defeatist because I, and mine, have operated total non-compliance throughout and will continue to do so. I’ve also contributed financially to the KBF cause. If you want to watch 11 minutes on how to dethrone tyrants watch the academy of ideas video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHiZckM-Wuo&fbclid=IwAR1N8nC7xX8-Ed-HQpSWJUYwA2IcoMNEGjIpIaEf07bNC0pacixxtXSZ4wg
Stay safe and healthy and be non-compliant.
Constance Drummond - Only this morning on the BBC News Headlines -
'Misleading and harmful online content about Covid-19 has spread "virulently" because the UK still lacks a law to regulate social media, an influential group of MPs has said.' They are now trying to bring in the On-Line Harms Bill to try and get rid of dissenting voices like us.
Constance Drummond,
I agree wholeheartedly, I have been awake for decades. Sadly, the happy clapping, muzzled zombies have allowed this situation to prosper. As Vernon Coleman states, they are our enemies as much as the govt and the MSM. It is infuriating to see the duck billed zombies walking the streets. Last night, around 10:30pm I ventured into my local Tesco Express. I was the only punter until a muzzled and gloved moron came in. He sanitised the shopping basket vigorously before use, then walked the long way around to his aisle so he could avoid me! Utterly brainwashed and quite frankly beyond redemption. I am in despair for the future of this once great nation.
Grumpy Cat,
The BBC was always a govt mouthpiece but has outdone itself with the corona 'demic. It is a steaming vat of horsesh1t, but you already know this. What gets me is that very early on, OFCOM the so called independent watchdog, instructed the broadcaster (s) to NOT depart from the govt message. Lends a whole new meaning to "we're all in this together" !
Just got this reply from Sainsburys I think they better prepare to be very busy as they take some of all the other supermarkets custom @sainsburys · 13m
Replying to @TheLongerGame We won’t be challenging customers without a mask when they enter or when they are in store since they may have a reason not to wear a mask. Kenneth
Met a lovely lady at the customer services in Sainsburys. She even gave me a lanyard to wear with my reasonable excuse card! She told me that if any member of staff or public gave me any grief for not wearing a mask, she would go and sort them out. What a woman. Sainsburys for me!
Hi... I suffer with anxiety and mask business not helping..so I spoke to police, Shopping centre manager etc...in Sheffield (Meadowhall) and was assured security staff WON'T be policing or questioning shoppers who are NOT wearing masks...M&S either...here's the law from a barrister on masks, health issues and shops https://threader.app/thread/1285491835415285761
The fact that our government is at war with us and enforcing compliance with insane and degrading rules causes me server distress. I am therefore exempt
I went to one out in the sticks store today with my daughter-in-law. Neither of us wore a mask. The shop owner and assistant didn't have masks on. A middle-aged couple came in heavily masked up and looked at us as we did them. There was no social distancing, in fact there was no room for social distancing in the aisles which were packed with goods. My son later went into a local Tesco; the doorman had a mask under his chin but did not stop my son entering without a mask. No-one else in the shop was wearing one or social distancing. He said there was an atmosphere and chat of 'what a joke' amongst the patrons. I received an email as well from B&Q telling me that masks are being sold in their stores so no need to go without. I emailed back that I hope their profit margins don't take a dip over the ensuing months as a result of this addition to the stock because they've been earmarked as boycott territory in our family. When I see someone in a mask I look sympathetically at them and mutter, oh dear, must be carriers. They don't have time to respond. I hope it makes them think, as nothing else seems to work...! Stay safe, folks, and don't comply.
That's what we have to do....a litlle mockery never hurt anyone. It's the least they deserve.
It won't be long before Mr and Mrs Bloggs see the charade for what it is. I'm pretty sure police have better things to do than harass shoppers. BUT if anyone does have any problems with a cop, do not give your name and address, it's a civil offence so they have no business getting involved other than preventing a breach of the peace which none of us are likely to do.
Hi, I live in Scotland where it is already mandatory to wear face cover in shops and public trasport. Most people seem to be complying and I did try at first but after almost fainting in one shop I decided that I would not wear one. There are several cards you can download online and print off or even put on your phone. I carry a card i made saying I am exempt from wearing a mask and have been going into shops here in the small town I live in. So far no one has even looked twice at me. Shop assistants are friendly to me and I go around with a big smile on my face. I have been finding it no trouble at all in shops. Next I will try public transport. Having the card just gives me confidence to go about bare face, and I hope I give other people who find it hard to cover their breathing organs the confidence to join me.
Thank you Anni :) :) :)
you don't need to wear a mask if it causes you distress. Print off an exemption card and carry it about to give you confidence should you be challenged. I have not been challenged and it is mandatory already here in Scotland. Don't worry!
I also feel the same Chris (I feel claustrophobic especially knowing that its meaningless which actually makes you more stressed). I agree with dwkazuya, they are testing to see how far they can push the sheep. If we give in, it will be the vaccine next. So for me I will be going to any shop I need to and if challenged (by the store owner), I will simply take my business elsewhere. My understanding is that most stores have said that they will not be challenging anyone and the police has said they will attend only if called. I suppose "claustrophobia" could be classified for exemption. Hmmmm..
Yes it is. The fact that your government is engaging in psychological warfare against you through forcing you wear a mask, causes severe distress. If challenged ask them if they plan to discriminate against you because of your disability. If they ask what is your disability, simply say that your medical history is private and you will not discuss it with a shop assistant. Remind them that discrimination of this kind is a criminal offence and you will call the police if they continue. Video your encounter, will make a good YouTube video and serve as evidence for court.
As a shop assistant myself, I am exempt due to anxiety for very similar reason to you Adrian. I would never challenge a customer about not wearing a mask, I have heard already of customers challenging those like me and you however.
Sorry guys but I have decided to go with the government on this one. So I will be following what their Chief Scientific advisor advised on the 28 April
( Professor Angela McLean -Chief Scientific advisor to the MOD-2019)
@33:40-35:20 quotes SAGE,
https://jt-accounts.co.uk/daily-update-covid-19-uk-28th-april-2020/
i.e. masks are a waste of time.