Hey everyone so I went to the rally demo today at Trafalgar Square I thought the speakers were powerful and passionate at times however I felt it didn't quite work for me and went to far because I stand for freedom of choice when the lady speaker started to shout take of your mask to the security guards at back by the national gallery that to me is not freedom of choice that is telling someone what to do it was the same when the crowd were shouting choose your side this is not about sides this only creates division I find a lot of these protest events are not really promoting diversity of opinion its all very one sided I agree with a lot of the things they say but with Piers Corbyn its all don't do this don't do that and I felt when walking down the march and we were stopped that some people were being a bit to disrespectful to the police there's ways in which you engage and speak with people calling them names or shouting at them is not really going to change much I think if I was to organise a group I would actually want a range of different people and for people who choose to wear masks to actually feel free to express there views in a more open and safe way not to be chanted at just my own personal view they said there was a crowd of around 35,000 which is a lot in all honesty I didn't see that I saw a large gathering around Trafalgar square but only in the region of 5,000 unless there were many others who were further out and joined just thought I would give a honest view of how I saw the event
@curtinj25 Thanks for your report, couldn't be there, but was watching live feed on YT.
It looked peaceful to me apart of the Police trying to escalate when the rally moved outside Downing Street athough they seem to have stood down after a short while.
StandUpX is not necessarily my cup of tea and they gather too many random views or in some cases extremes. What we need is middle ground one cause protest like the one in Germany or Ireland, one that most people would be able to identify their views with. KBF fits well in my opinion.
As for numbers, Daily Mail reports 10k, I would probably go for the middle ground ~20k.
Let's put it that way, if KBF organises one, then I'm 100% in.
I watched a lot of the protest (via YouTube, surprisingly) and thought it was fantastic and inspiring.
@Veritas et Libertas I was there and it was truly inspiring and very peaceful and encouraging.
Just being with 'normal' people again that weren't muzzled or terrified of standing near each other and even shook your hand or hugged you.
KBF and all the other groups such as Stand Up X were represented and Leah Butler Smith (who organised the anti mask demo at Hyde Park) who is working alongside Simon Dolan was there also.
Regarding some of the other comments on this forum about Saturday, I don't believe we can get too precious about who's organising these demos or whether we agree with everything that's represented there, i.e. 5g because as I've said before, it's uniting and boots on the streets that send a much clearer message to politicians across the world of the level of discontent there really is about this hell they are deliberately putting us through.
Yes, the MSM in the UK either ignored it or trashed it as a few "conspiracy theorists and anti vaxers", although the Independent on line did give a much more even handed account.
But people in the UK and other countries were watching it, hence a message from a friend in Ireland to ask if I was there because they were watching it live.
In Berlin, their march was banned but they still came out in their hundreds of thousands until their own police turned on them and started with the arrests.
Demos now in New Zealand which is truly inspiring because of how much they've suffered under that ghastly she-devil that is the dictator in that country.
Do I think as a result of that magnificent march in London that Boris's handlers will let him announce the lockdown has been cancelled and we are all back to the old normal from 10.00am today, hell no!
I think measures will only get worse and more restrictive but they were already going to and they will day by day.....as they say in Game of Thrones " Winter is coming" and this one will be used to slam us back down in lockdown until they can then mandate for a cheap, untested, rushed vaccine for all.
Some of us, and there were tens of thousands of us in Trafalgar Square on Saturday, refuse that notion and will take to the streets to peacefully demonstrate that to this, and every other government across the world.
So I would encourage people to attend if they can next time. There's mention of another demo on 26th September and if I get details I'll post it on here.
Demonstrating may not have been your thing in the past, but neither was being placed under house arrest and told where you could and couldnt go or what you had to wear.
So come the day and come the hour....we all have to find new ways of getting our voices heard.
It was peaceful I didn't see any violence or anything I just find sometimes it can be easy to carried away with the emotion of the speakers David Icke spoke well and did uplift the crowd I would agree about more middle of the road approach its not so easier because you can get extreme points of view from both sides I just think not all people who wear masks nescarilly agree with what the government does as well its kind of a balancing act to find
From the footage i’ve seen it was an actual peaceful protest, not the ‘mostly peaceful protests’ favoured by the BLM / Antifa insurrectionists. Agreed there was some unnecessarily divisive chanting (ie.”choose your side”) and some slightly cultish behaviour but on the whole it was a positive protest that made people think. Let’s see the contrast with the upcoming Extinction Rebellion protests which, if last year was anything to go by, are going to be another disruptive aggressive performance art shit show!
I wonder if the media will call these people conspiracy theorists? I think we all know the answer to that one.
@Mark Kennaird it was very peaceful and a really lovely atmosphere so when the police turfed their bored junior officers out of their vans and into the already dispersing crowd at around 5.30pm on Saturday to lecture us and hand out leaflets about how we were breaking the law by not wearing masks or social distancing, I refused to take a leaflet or engage with their nonsense and enquired quite vociferously whether they would be handing out the same leaflets to BLM and extinction rebellion who were also demonstrating in another part of West London???????
It just I wander how many it will actually change government decision making there was a huge protest against the war in Iraq but they still went ahead not saying protest do nothing or to not protest but what is the actual goal or plan just shouting take your masks off and choose your side I don't think is going to work
The guy from stand up x I thought spoke with a lot of passion and emotion I am not really into all the kind of booing and chanting kind of stuff it can be easy again to demonise one kind of figure rather than looking at a fairer system that works
Yet to think of a protest that achieved anything. 🤔
Good pre-recorded speech by Vernon Coleman, didn't play at the protest, I think some technical issues.
I agree, Icke was good, and he is right on the money when it comes to the pandemic, although I wouldn't personally go as far as to claim there is no virus.
If you want to believe the BBC, you need 3.5% of population to stage an open opposition to the government to force change of course - i.e. Arab Spring.
From observation of mask wearing, I would say 80% of people are coerced compliance judging by pre legislation percentage of wearing in my area. I don't really care either way what people choose to do - with the word choose being the key.
Unfortuntatly we didn't get to see the Vernon Coleman video as you say because of technical difficulties and also the del big tree interview from highwire got cut out I pretty much agree with David Icke but you cant really argue that people are not getting sick its whether its just the virus though I would say there are other causes from what I heard the virus is a non living thing that tends to be inside the body and is a natural immune response to toxins in the body so I don't quite know how it then spreads from person to person that's my understanding and what I know but I am not an expert on how virsuses actually work its hard to know if a virus exist because as dr andy Kauffman is saying it has not been isolated
I think there is different reasons people wear masks some do it because that is what they are told some do it because they don't want to supposedly give it to another person or get it themselves and some because they may not want to get a fine its because they have been frightened to death with the propaganda in the media all we can do is point out the actual evidence and inconstancy's it was interesting experience today going to the rally there was a man there who had lost I think a member of his family to cancer as a result of not getting treatment possibly because of the lockdown effect and all the attention being on a corona virus that shows the real human tradedgy of what is happening
@curtinj25 well I don't want to hear from mask zealots why they wear them.
To me, they are collaborators with a corrupt government and every other corrupt agency that is assisting in stripping us of our rights and freedoms and ruining our children and grandchildren's lives.
It's anti mask wearers that are being regularly attacked by zealots, but verbally and sometimes physically. Where is the reasoned debate in that?
We should all be able to wear whatever we like but we should also be able to chose what we don't want to wear as well.
The government supporting mask wearing zealots are taking that choice away from us all.
So like the chant on Saturday, I think we do need to "chose your side", I think it is already happening organically and of course it's meant to divide us but personally, I won't listen to any argument that tries to give a rational for the self-serving selfishness of lockdown supporters, end of.
Does anyone still want to do a meet up group say on a Sunday say regents park so we can get to know each other better and share thoughts and ideas
What I am wandering at is how can we help the people who are struggling in terms of unemployed mental health difficulties or even addiction I have some experience of those in my own personal life so in some way it would be good to support them as oppose to only being a protest movement
Just an idea what about a creative writing or poetry event people can share there views on perhaps lockdown or a subject they feel passionately about
Going to something similar tomorrow just outside Ledbury if you fancy it?!
Thanks for posting. I don’t spend too much time thinking about going to protests for the very reasons you state. They are divisive by their nature and seem to be just one massive echo chamber. Most people have no clue that Trafalgar happened and will never know.
I’d like to see one clear voice, objective and decisive action.
that can be you if you want it to be
Working on it sir 😉
@C.R.M cool glad to hear that I am working on some ideas myself
It was on the main webpage msn about the rally although they tend to refer to us as anti vax and conspiracy theorist the usual kind of discrediting language
Daily Mail article has attracted 13k comments which is a lot. If you filter out trolls 77th brigade alike and look at the best rated vast majority is in favour of the protest and certainly don't label anyone conspiracy theorist, it is after all public opinion that matters.
I was there too & agree with your point about the attitude to the police who were there to do a job & did it very well given the vast gathering. Yes there were a lot of issues covered but it was generally an uplifting event with issues covered in the form of questions that are censured & not addressed by the mainstream media
Guards at the concentration camps were also there to do a job, looking at the footage on YT police looked initially eager to escalate, but stood down probably got scared of the numbers. The 'pedo protectors' chant was actually quite funny 🤣
I have mixed feelings about the protest there was some inspirational moments and it was peaceful as well but some slightly negative moments I just didn't feel comfortable chanting at people to take of your masks and chanting choose your side and calling the police peodiphille protectors was not what I went there for
Everybody knows people who are against all this plandemic but they are terrified of getting a fine and therefore they feel they have not choice but to wear a mask against their will. You probably misunderstanded the " choose your side " . It means you don't have to wear a mask, be on your side, on what yourself is telling you and not on what the Government tell you to do. Calling the police peodiphille is wrong, but we should not forget the police felt their duty of protecting and defending citizens human rights. The Government use the police to terrorise citizens in order for citizens to accept their loss of freedom and rights . The laws setted by the Government are unlawfull, as they violate all human rights, and for this reason, the police should comply to their duty and stand up for the citizens. It would have been more appropriate to call the policecolaborators of the Government's tirany.
There were some loving and peace moments but not a lot of that towards the government and police although I understand the anger towards them and I am against these draconian measures are they going to realistically change their minds and come out say we got this wrong because of a protest we thought there was a virus but having really looked into the evidence we got this wrong it would be amazing for that to happen and show enormous courage and I would vote for that I just dont think its likely to happen
You never know, this lot have flip-flopped on just about everything else lately. And the economic time bomb is sure to persuade them that SAGE (and certainly the garbage alternative SAGE) are barking up the wrong tree. Like most politicians, when they feel a change in public mood and fear losing votes then all of a sudden the scientists’ advice is not the be all and end all. 2020 is such a crazy year you can’t discount any possibility.
Thats true they might change policys if the see the public mood change and people are not doing what they ask or they could crackdown further hard to say yeah certainly they have continually changed their mind about things I just thought if there was not a governemt who would actually run the country in terms of economy I mean it would be great to see people from working class backgrounds or nurses or professional people in the governemt people who know about the day to day realitys of day to day people that would actually stand up for the peoples interests